Adrenal + liver issues

[warlock]

This a little long but hopefully is going to be helpful.

I am quite lean guy year round, always about 12%bf or less. And even though I don’t have much body fat I have a toll of fat around my lower abs.

This has been developing for the last few years, even when I lost a lost of weight due to a surgery I still kept that roll.

About 2 years ago I had no energy, tired all the time, working long hours, sleeping about 6h a night waking up at 5am and taking one more fat burner to tart the day and them another to keep going and them a full pot of tea to not pass out. On top of that since I was about 10 I never sleep well. I sleep trough the night and/or wake up fully rested 3 or 4 times a year

I knew that something was wrong and that it wouldn’t get better on its own.

I talked to my MD and run a bunch of exams and said that everything was normal.

We did some more exams and… NOTHING.

At this point I decided to see a Naturopath.

She used Traditional Chinese Medicine and all my blood work for my diagnosis (my MD was very cooperative) plus a complete assessment of my overall physical state.

And… BINGO.

Adrenal fatigue + liver toxicity.

I just cut all caffeine cold turkey, took a series of botanicals, acupuncture and homeopathic remedies.

After a while I was feeling great but my roll of fat wasn’t gone.

I went back to my lifestyle long hours, lack of sleep, bla, bla, bla…

Last year I took the short form of Biosignature Modulation and Charles Poliquin just landed his eyes on me and said: high cortisol.

We stared doing case studies and they brought this woman that had a series of issues and he asked her if she woke up every night at the same time: yes she did!

He said that according to traditional Chinese medicine that was caused for a certain unbalance…..

About October last year I started to wake up EVERY night at precisely at 1 and 3 am.
Again I was tired taking pills and a load of caffeine to go trough my day.

I decided that that was enough.

I stopped booking clients early in the morning (I wake up at 6:30 am now instead of 5) and stopped going to bed after 11 am as well (normally 10:30 pm).

In December I set up another appointment with a Naturopath.

This was my 1sr caffeine free week and even though I felt that I just had finished fighting the whole Russian Army; I could push trough it. I felt exhausted every day between 12 and 2 or 3 and just didn’t have the energy to do weight training but could find a way to do some sort of cardio plus a Pilates class.

Yesterday I had another appointment with the ND she tested my reflexes and… they are crap (another sign that the adrenals are toasted). I was so tired that I slept during the acupuncture session. And even though I didn’t sleep a lot (only 7 hours as I had to teach a early morning class) I woke up feeling great.

Today I went to Chinatown and got some TCM medicine that supposedly will help me.

Next week I cut sugar all together.

Them alcohol.

Hopefully to the beginner of summer my body will be working properly and I’ll b able to go back to the gym and push as I like to do.

This lifestyle changes????

In my case they are mandatory if I want to be as healthy as I can.

The reason I am posting this???:confused:

I don’t know maybe just bring awareness, may be just making myself accountable…:o

[BigWheel]

Interesting post, Ive been in your position before, living on eca for months at a time and taking shit like clen and gear which I think was taxing my addrenals too. I learned to take more time to relax, made a solid effort to get quality sleep and improved my diet, all of which really helped my overall mood.

I also noticed that my fat distribution has changed by getting more of a spare tire, I chalked this up to aging, genetics and hormone changes

[Bowlcut]

Adrenal fatigue is a commonly undiagnosed condition because most MD's have no clue about it.
Thanks for the story Warlock

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I did the caffeine free thing and prefer to be on caffeine. I feel better overall. I rarely eat sugar or sweets though. Rarely touch alcohol. Having hit mid 30's now, I go through periods of feeling good and high energy, then low and no energy.
When you don't feel up to par or having health issues, it can become fustrating to reach your physique goals. I wish you the best of luck. I'm on the fence with naturopath. I think a lot of them are in it just for the money. They make you feel better because you believe it works.
If you were having adrenal + liver problems, why didn't your doc catch them? Can't you ask for those tests specifically? It would be easy for me to say it's your prostate, take some trib from MP Nutrition for 3 months, eat clean, drink plenty of water, get plenty of rest and exercise and you'll feel better. And yes, there is a very good chance you'll feel better with time. I don't think you'd need a naturopath and a lot of money spent to feel better. Just live a healthier lifestyle would help just as much imo. But we all have our bad habits. A naturopath can "inspire" you or "guide" you to do what you need to do to feel better. But that's what they do. The shark cartilage will not give you energy of a 16 year old. But some of us do feel it when they say it will work. The plecbo effect is very real.
My sis did this stuff for many years. I remember her taking something called greens+. She always had diareha and bloated. For some reason she needed to hear someone say, "if it makes you feel that way, how can it make you healthier" for her to stop. It's as if the naturopath's word was gospel.

Meh, anyone want their fortune read for $50?

[warlock]

I have to agree with most of the stuff that you wrote MP.

No I don't just swallow everything that is said to me.

I did a lot of research before going to see the ND.

I am not a big believer in anything but at the same time I always try to give it a shot, after all there are many ways to go from point A to point B.

The whole treatment will be paid by my health plan.

Another reason I am going to the ND is to get info that I don't know.

She asked me to do dry brushing to help my lymphatic system to detox faster, and she forgot to I play volleyball do pilates and am active overall therefore I don't believe that my lymphoma is stuck anywhere and I will not do it.

My MD did "full" blood work (whatever that means, I just know that they took 7 vials of blood) including cortisol and testosterone and he is aware of EVERY unhealthy behaviour of mine. So hopefully If there is any abnormality that will show up.

On a side note we can not forget that NDs see blood work in a different way then MDs.

If a MD sees something that is in the lower part of the normal range that means for the ND that for that given individual the value is just low.

I have had knowledge that people that had lower/normal range thyroid hormones and had problems with their weight and as they corrected their thyroid to an upper level their bf distribution improved.

This week I will call my MDs office ask for a hard copy of my exams for whenever they come and try to set up the sleep clinic test (I guess it will take a while so why not do it now?) and the important... go sugar free.

Wish me luck.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Best of luck. I'm interested to see how it turns out for you. If the ND can help you in any way.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Was discussing this with someone and got some good info. Wanted to share it with all of you.


Poliquin's story about high cortisol is not complete. It is the ratio of Cortisol versus Testostone ( NMole / litre is theunit of measure ) that is important. Coupled that with declining thyroid function.

A ratio of C: T of 10 is considered good. HOwevre, if you have low thyroid functioning,then you will beextremely tired. But still with proper musculature and fat deposition. AS the ratio increases- showing Cortisol to be rising while/or TEstosterone descreasing- the person will become increasingly lethargic , fat and weak.

As the TSH values rise about 2.8 or thereabouts, the person will be increasingly exhausted. These thyroid issues exacerbate the problems with C:T issue.

Excessive Caffeine, ephedrine alcohol have been thought to produce problems with Thyroid. Probably there exist studies to corroborate this as well.

Overtraining in any form leads to high cortisol but more importantly, emotional stressors seem to be a huge influence in this cortisol thing. Sustained marital strife is the worst.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

A little addition

Some signs of cortisol and glucose-insulin issues. They may go hand in hand ...

If you have a fasting glucose level of between 6 and 7, then it may be likely that you also have higher cortisol. or a slight form of insulin resistance. or both.

It may be that these two go hand in hand. If you carry your fat around your abdomen and it doesn't seem to want to go away, then it may be a result of excessive cortisol levels relative to testosterone. I believe that high Cortisol levels lead to increased ab fat deposition even with normal TEst levels.

So there are a number of things to check.

1. FAsting blood glucose. ( between 6 and 7 ) Normal non IR or diabetic is about 5 - 5.3 but less is common too.
2. 2-hour-75g-carb-infusion (Blood glucose between 8 and 11 seems to show impaired insulin functioning ).
3. high cortisal. ( starting above ~400 seems to be a good point as that seems to be the mean of many studies )
4. Low testosterone ( anything below 7.5 as this is -1 SD ) depending on the normal range used.
5. High TSH ( 2.8 and above is leading you into that territory )
6. Measure of insulin production/activity.

The testosterone values are iffy as I have seen different studies state different ranges for what the authors take to be the "normal range " of testosterone amoung men in the catch area.

In the UK, the range went up to 29. In Canada, many studies seem to have a lower upper limit of either 12 or 16.

If you feel weak, and your TSH value is normal, then it could likely be that your TEST level is low, no matter what the 'normal range " is.

INsulin resistance is when your body doesn't respond well to insulin, leading to higher than normal amounts of insulin floating around. the insulin that is there doesn't seem to drive the carbs home so to speak.

Moreover, insulin's effect on fat seems to be unaffected so more fat is deposited and more of it since there is more insulin in the system.


so high relative or even absolute amount of cortisol is not good for your health.

high C:T is bad for bodybuilding.
high C:T is bad for anyone using insulin for whatever purpose.
high C:T is worse with high TSH ( low thyroid functioning )

a ratio of 10-1 would be ideal but that would be hard to maintain. YOu need cortisol. The thinking should be that it just can't get too out of whack. 18 seems to be fine as does 30 although the person may notice something not quite right with themself if they had lower ratios previously..

ratios of 50 is very noticeable to the patient and anything higher than that is so pronounced that most people will look at the person and say " wow, you look terrible ! YOu getting any sleep?" or " getting any at all?" as good sex is one way to reduce cortisol.

Other methods are relaxation techniques of your own choosing.


This brings up the nifty idea that there have been many people living lifes that were largely underperforming. Some people may have lived their entire life with high ratios and never known or never experienced the difference that a lower ratio would bring.

YOu want a positive environment so if there are things or people who are brining you down or causing you grief, then you have to remove yourself from their undue influence.

It would be difficult for a 225+ pound bodybuilder in the apparent shape of his life to convince anyone let alone a doctor that they are feeling " under the weather ". Getting all these tests done in order to lift an extra 10 pounds or get the most benefit out of your routine would be next to impossible.

So truly ill people would be able to do it. IF , and it's a big IF, they can find a doctor who is willing to listen to their complaints and take them seriously. And then know what to make of the results should they come back with the numbers that I have stated.

The odds of all that happening for someone with just borderline issues ( ranges just outside -2 SD on all parameters) is between slim and none.
HOwever, if a person is having blood work done routinely, it would be a good idea to test for these things and have someone who knows how to properly interpret the results, understanding how the entire cascade of hormones all work dependently as well as independently to create an effect in us. Its a confluence of events rather than an isolated issue.

[rizzmatic]

warlock,


i too have adrenal fatigue and it was the worst shit ever!


Since May/07 when i crashed off of using stimulants,ect, i couldnt find ANY help from Doctors or Endo's, untill now.



You want to order this test from ZRT labs.

http://www.zrtlab.com/Page.aspx?nid=12&action=view&category=2


Its called the Adrenal Function test.


Then once you get your results back, sign up to this yahoo group, and make a post asking for "Val" and explain your situation and lab results, and she will hlep you. She is supposed to be amazing at treating Adrenals and Thyroid, which go hand in hand btw.


http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/


My results show very low DHEA, very low morning Cortisol, and high afternoon Cortisol.


Even though my thyroid levels were fine ( Free T3 and Free T4 ) i was having the sympoms of hypothyroid, holding water, bloated/puffy face, fatigue, allergies,ect, and found out that if you have low Cortisol, then your thyroid hormones will build up in your blood, and not get into the cells where they actually do the work. High Cortisol can also inhibit the conversion of T4 to T3 i beleive.



Anyways, i posted my promlems on the Mesomorphosis forum, and was recommended to Val from people who were helped with their Adrenal/Thyroid issues, by her.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/men-s-health-forum/


So for me, she reccomended 25mg DHEA and 2-4 pellets of Isocort first thing in the morning, and then to check my daily temps as recommended by Dr.Rind, to see if they average 98.6 degrees. She told me to recheck my TSH, Free T3 and T4 in one month on the adrenal support. I have my DHEA and Isocort on the way.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp


Most people with Adrenal Fatigue have LOW Cortisol, and without supplementing with some sort of Cortisol at the right time as needed depending on your saliva test results, the adrenals will NEVER heal as your body needs Cortisol just to get on with your day, and wont have enough of your own left to support and heal your adrenals.




So good luck, ive been researching and looking for help for 9 months! I finally found the best help, so hopefully you can get some too.

[shortfatugly]

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[warlock]

Thanks for all this info.

In the past 2 weeks I gave up caffeine and sugar (fruit being the only exception).

I have had cravings here and there and the interesting thing is thta whenever I go to the ND I have to pass by a Cinnabon joint and last week I was freaking out because I couldn't have one.

My sleep has always been disturbed and when i told her about it she checked my pulse and decided to use Traditional Chinese medicine to deal with my problem as she said the liver/cortisol problem is a reflex of my sleep patterns and that was caused by some sort of childhood trauma.

What made me go for what she said is that out of the blue she just stated to me: "You dream a lot and have nightmares", he was so right.

Anyways 2 out of 6 acupuncture sessions are gone today I'll go for session #3 I am taking some medicine from China to help with my sleep (Anmien Pien) and let's see what happens.

My sleep has improved and my levels of energy improved to a 7/8 out of 10 all day long and dropping to 4 between 12 and 4. That change can be caused by the caffeine that I am not consuming (except one cup of green tea when I wake up a few times a week) or the treatment.

I still dream a lot and they are not always happy ending stories.

Next week my blood work will be done and I'll get a copy and try to post here.

Today I'll ask about the saliva test and call my MD office for the appointment at the sleep clinic.

Thanks

w

[Mr Ontario]

I think you may have sleep opnea with those big traps and upper back of yours. :) Which sometimes is the case with some bodybuilders.

[Turtle]

after reading this thread I was browsing the health food store for Adrenal suuport supps and it seems Rhodiola is used alot. Anyone use this supp on a regular basis? Picked up one of the adrenal supps so am going to see how it works.

[Mr Ontario]

What is it suppose to do actually? Give you energy? Fix your system?


after reading this thread I was browsing the health food store for Adrenal suuport supps and it seems Rhodiola is used alot. Anyone use this supp on a regular basis? Picked up one of the adrenal supps so am going to see how it works.

[spiderman7]

Supposedy help it recover. There is a product out there called Reset AD by Palo Alto Labs I believe. I have read that some have had a good experience with it.

[Mr Ontario]

I will have to check with my Master Herbalist friend to see what he says on it!

[Turtle]

think it's categorized as an adaptogen. Think it helps regulate seratonin and dopamine from what I've read but then what I read is far from concrete studies.

[warlock]

think it's categorized as an adaptogen. Think it helps regulate seratonin and dopamine from what I've read but then what I read is far from concrete studies.

Yes, Rhodiola is one of the products that Poliquin uses.

But I would not take it without the supervision of a professional.

Today I talked to the ND and she told me that according to Traditional Chinese Medicine she was going to try to ballance my Ying/Yang because my hearth was off ballance.

And whenever she ballanced my heart the influence that it has in the liver (again this is all according to TCM) would change and my liver issues would be finished or at least the cause of them would be gone.

Today was session 3 out of 6 I got a bunch of needles and "seeds" where left in my ears to help ease my symptoms.

The down size of the day is that I had a terrible sugar craving all day, it was driving me nuts and at 7:30 pm I had to have a chocolate bar in order to keep my sanity.

The good thing is: I have lost 6lbs down to 189 from 195.

Overall my energy levels are much better and my mood has improved a lot.

The only changes other than the TCM treatment are that I have no caffeine or sugar anymore, that regularized my appetite and diet as I am not eating a lot at once than not eating for long periods of time.

I have no energy to work out as I would like but I am being consistent with light cardio and stretching a lot.

Have a great night.

w

[warlock]

It has been about a month since I stopped caffeine consumption.
My sleep pattern is much better but now it is random.
Some nights I only get up once or twice to urinate and go back to bed.
I had one night where I was waking up EVERY 30 min from 4 am until 6 am.
The thing that my naturopath found quite interesting is that my dreams are disturbed I have nightmares or something similar every night.
My energy levels are alright but most of the days I still have that feeling that a truck run over me between 12 and 4pm for about 2 hours.
But I still don’t have enough energy to work out consistently.
When that happens I take liquid B complex to get some energy.
My sugar cravings decreased considerably.
I have done 4 acupuncture sessions out of 6 and am taking some chinese medicine remedie.
Last week I started to take Megacomplex-GF that is an anti aging product supposed to help to stabilize my hormones.

Them this week I got the results of my blood work:
Testosterone:19.4
Cortisol am-serum: 260
Free testosterone:44.7
Prolactin: 4.8

Friday the sleep clinic called me in order to set up an appointment.

This week I intend to increase the Megacomplex –GF dose and for the next week I’ll add Macka to the equation if necessary.

Thursday I’ll be meeting my Naturopath and will ask some questions…

From all this experience I truly believe that what made more difference is the fact that I am caffeine free (except for a cup of green tea 3 or 4 mornings a week).

[Mr Ontario]

Wow Test levels look good!


It has been about a month since I stopped caffeine consumption.
My sleep pattern is much better but now it is random.
Some nights I only get up once or twice to urinate and go back to bed.
I had one night where I was waking up EVERY 30 min from 4 am until 6 am.
The thing that my naturopath found quite interesting is that my dreams are disturbed I have nightmares or something similar every night.
My energy levels are alright but most of the days I still have that feeling that a truck run over me between 12 and 4pm for about 2 hours.
But I still don’t have enough energy to work out consistently.
When that happens I take liquid B complex to get some energy.
My sugar cravings decreased considerably.
I have done 4 acupuncture sessions out of 6 and am taking some chinese medicine remedie.
Last week I started to take Megacomplex-GF that is an anti aging product supposed to help to stabilize my hormones.

Them this week I got the results of my blood work:
Testosterone:19.4
Cortisol am-serum: 260
Free testosterone:44.7
Prolactin: 4.8

Friday the sleep clinic called me in order to set up an appointment.

This week I intend to increase the Megacomplex –GF dose and for the next week I’ll add Macka to the equation if necessary.

Thursday I’ll be meeting my Naturopath and will ask some questions…

From all this experience I truly believe that what made more difference is the fact that I am caffeine free (except for a cup of green tea 3 or 4 mornings a week).

[shortfatugly]

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[Mr Ontario]

Ya! I wouldn't worry about the dreams so much. Doesn't mean your not normal....I think everyone has them...and if they don't they are lying and or don't have any stress or people they like to punch out. lol

[warlock]

There has been only 2 big changes:
I am off caffeine and I am not working out since December.
Wednesday I am going to the sleep clinic and the results will be ready on March 05
I believe that the fact that I don't have peaceful dreams is a sign that I don't have a restful sleep as well.

Can anyone explain to me the results of my exam???

[shortfatugly]

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[warlock]

Thank you - w

[warlock]

I finally had a good night of sleep.
Actually, I had two.
Both nights the greatest difference in my routine where: very little food/drink consumption.

I had my light dinner at 7 pm and stopped drinking water as well.
Later on (around 9 pm) I had a small salad and a sip of water before going to bed.
I was asleep at 10:30 pm and slept until 4:30am, woke up and fell asleep again.
Them next day my energy levels where fine.
It seems that my body is starting to react to the treatment and changes in my routine.
I’ll give some more time and try to not jump into conclusions.

I talked to my ND and no big, bright conclusions/news:
- my blood work was good
- they still believe that there is an Ying/Yang unbalance going on
- like me they can not say precisely what is making the most difference and believe that the group of efforts that I am making is the difference

I’d like to be able to pin point what made the difference and know exactly what has made things to change but the only great difference has been the supplement that I am taking.
My energy levels have been better since I started with it. It may be a coincidence or not but I started taking on Monday 2 weeks ago and my energy during the day improved, them I upped the dose Monday next week and by Friday I was sleep way better.
Is there a placebo effect???
I don’t think so.
I was skeptical about its efficacy but decided to take it any ways, for the sake of taking it.
I truly believed that it would not cause any harm and didn’t think too much about it.

Now I have something else to add to the equation.

I am getting really out of shape.

I have put only 4lbs on, BUT I have no strength.
I started to realize that when playing volleyball my reaction time has decreased and that I am a little slower than I was a few months ago.

Since I decided to address these issues I knew that I had to decrease the stress on myself especially physical stress and I stopped working out as I used to.

Last week I only did a hot yoga class and 60min of cycling for the whole week.

Even though I am working in the gym for about 60h a week I haven’t had the time or desire to do any form of strength exercise.

My plan is:
- keep doing what I have been doing (no caffeine, no too early mornings, or too late evenings, keep taking my supplement)
- to find 20 min everyday to do some form of light cardio to stimulate the release of endorphins and try to help with the healing process,
- 3x a week do at lest 30 min of full body weight training (time permitting I’ll do more
- stretch everyday
- have dinner by 7:30 and if still hungry have some non-processed plant based snack (fruit, salad, grilled veggies)

Your time, input and questions are appreciated.

[Mr Ontario]

I have one of these and try to do it...15 minutes every other day!


http://www.healingdaily.com/exercise/rebounding-for-detoxification-and-health.htm

[warlock]

I have one of these and try to do it...15 minutes every other day!


http://www.healingdaily.com/exercise/rebounding-for-detoxification-and-health.htm

I find rebounding a great activity and highly recommend it.

too bad my gym doesn't have one.

[SiLvErBaK]

bro--how old are u????
what kinds of things run down your families history?--ie. diabetes, prostate cancer, hypothyroidism....anything?

are you depressed?, under high levels of stress?, always anxious?

have u used illegal rec drugs alot in the past? x...coke...meth....any?

an imbalance in the brains chemicals mostly serotonin, and dopamine can do some nasty things to an individual.

If u a really serious about finding out the root of the problem you need a full checkup done, it's gonna take some time and effort. the homeopathic route has got some advantages but science has always come out ahead.

[warlock]

I am 36 yo, I first had this type of problem a few years ago.

My family health history is exactly what you expect for people that eat tons of processed carbs ad deep fried stuff: they are fat and have a series of health problems caused by excessive weight.

On top of that there is a serious issue with cancer from my mom's side.I saw my MD and we run every type of test and everything came back normal.

There are 2 things that made me and my MD get to these conclusions.

I have a history of abuse of caffeine plus a very intense lifestyle for a long time, that is enough to do a number with your adrenals.

I don't work out as I used to (all or nothing) since November, don't wake up at 5 am since December, cut caffeine in January and started acupuncture at about the same time.

The supplement that I am taking I believe to be helping.

What I truly believe is that I took the stressors off my life and that made a great difference, the rest is just helping to speed up the process.

As you can see I used the traditional scientific route and that was helpful in order to let me know what isn't wrong. I am not a believer I actually am very skeptical.

I feel that I am getting closer and closer to the point where I want to get = decent sleep and steady energy levels during the day; I guess it is just a matter of time and myself keep giving my body the tools for self healing.;)






bro--how old are u????
what kinds of things run down your families history?--ie. diabetes, prostate cancer, hypothyroidism....anything?

are you depressed?, under high levels of stress?, always anxious?

have u used illegal rec drugs alot in the past? x...coke...meth....any?

an imbalance in the brains chemicals mostly serotonin, and dopamine can do some nasty things to an individual.

If u a really serious about finding out the root of the problem you need a full checkup done, it's gonna take some time and effort. the homeopathic route has got some advantages but science has always come out ahead.

[SiLvErBaK]

well it sounds like u r on the right track. All ican suggest is to keep your body clean, and like u said well rested. some of your homeopathic ideas are good and if they are helping u feel better then keep on. Keep your diet very clean, and just make sure u get good amounts of vitamins/minerals, efa's, and antioxidants--r-ala, green tea, vitamin e, vitc, are really good.

patience discipline, and persistence are also key

good luck!

[GTZ3]

any updates?

[tex]

too much fluids at night can cause those vivid dreams, i suffer from that every goddamn night.......saw palmetto combats it......reduces the urge to urinate........just my opinion.......

[warlock]

any updates?

Yes.

I can't say that I have it all figured out, but when people start telling out of the blue how much better you look that makes things click in your head.

The main thing is that I started going to bed and waking up every morning at the same time. Normally 11 and 6, sometimes I go to bed earlier.

Caffeine consumption was erased and now it is seldom.

The last thing is that I started to meditate and tat helped me to cope with stress, I feel less stressed and more in control.

All in all, what i believed is that i just decreased my stress levels: environmental, hormonal and psychological and that gave a break to my adrenals.

I am not 100% yet but way better.

[monkey]

My brother had a very similar problem. He is 23 years old and apparently quite healthy. The problem was that he was always sick, tired, wanted to sleep and had no motivation . He simply felt like crap and also had bad sleep. He did some reasearch and came up with some some sot of nutrition plan that is supposed to rid your body of the acid levels in your body. Guess it is some sort of detox, just that you avoid any type of food that has high acid levels ( this includes protein which is bad for us of course).
It is commonly believed that high acid levels are related to cancer and that we generally carry way more acid around than we should.
I don't remember the name of the diet, but he is a different person after having been on it for 2 months. He is back to normal eating etc, but he is energetic, never really tired, doesn;t need as much sleep and basically barely sick.
If anyone interested, I'll get mopre info for him

Thanks

[Mr Ontario]

sure pass it along it can't hurt :)


My brother had a very similar problem. He is 23 years old and apparently quite healthy. The problem was that he was always sick, tired, wanted to sleep and had no motivation . He simply felt like crap and also had bad sleep. He did some reasearch and came up with some some sot of nutrition plan that is supposed to rid your body of the acid levels in your body. Guess it is some sort of detox, just that you avoid any type of food that has high acid levels ( this includes protein which is bad for us of course).
It is commonly believed that high acid levels are related to cancer and that we generally carry way more acid around than we should.
I don't remember the name of the diet, but he is a different person after having been on it for 2 months. He is back to normal eating etc, but he is energetic, never really tired, doesn;t need as much sleep and basically barely sick.
If anyone interested, I'll get mopre info for him

Thanks