HCG Side Effects? [Archive] - CANADA BODYBUILDING

nitrous

15-10-2009, 10:37 AM

theboss

15-10-2009, 10:56 AM

what was the cycle....sounds like its working....i would lower the HCG dose..500iu x2 wk

nitrous

15-10-2009, 11:10 AM

well i sorta ****ed up the pct so the dosage is a little high and it was a really long one so i was probably shut down quite hard.. its no higher than what many doctors recommend and im only doing this for 10 days before getting into clomid and aromasin...

cycle was a bit of a mix but it was basically: test heptylate at 250mg twice a week (500mg EW) and EQ 300mg twice a week (600mg EW) with tbol near the beginning at 50mg ED and dbol near the end at 25mg ED... cycle was 17.5 weeks long

GYMBRAT

15-10-2009, 11:21 AM

how did ya make out nitrous progress wise? I've never had sides "that I know of" from HCG.....I have never been one to get bacne though

nitrous

15-10-2009, 12:29 PM

no bacne.. just 5 zits in total between my chest and face where iw ould normally have like 0 or 1 maybe.. it could just be my diet changes a little bit, lack of sleep, or lack of water intake i don tknow just curious if either of these things have an effect.. the trouble of getting off is really new for me... its never been this hard to get off but at least i get hard easily lol

progress wise i think i did great.. last winter i decided to cut for the first time in my life.. i cut down from 165 to 138 with clen and kept most of my strength.. a 6 pack like you wouldnt believe.. then went up to 158 naturally and then did that cycle and got up to 176... i have been off since september 8th was my last injection.. so over a month and last night i weighed in at 175.4.. and my strength hasnt gone down at all.. benched 275 for 6 on monday with ease.. but my endurance is completely down so i have been keeping my workouts really short and volume is way down since i'm on pct anyways.. gotten a bit more soft than i was and the muscles down seem as "full" but i'm definitely still feeling good and loving how much of the gains i'm keeping

Born2Juice4Ever

15-10-2009, 12:31 PM

HCG can trigger a solid base of side effects.

One of the most known to man kind is the triggering effect and a strong one on GYNO.

Your dosage is extremely high. Not sure how you go there. It is not the end of the world, adjust accordingly.

b2J

nitrous

15-10-2009, 12:58 PM

the dosage was recommended by Praetorian and isnt far off what Dave Palumbo also recommends.. HCG is recommended by the manufacturer at 5000iu 2-3 times weekly..

also i haven't had any gyno issues ever on cycle or with the current HCG i am running but yes i have heard of that and figured i would double my dosage of aromasin to 25mg ED if any gyno did arise..but it hasnt

Redz

15-10-2009, 01:06 PM

Studies have shown there is no benefit to going over 500iu twice per week. 500iu is just a waste and definitely can trigger sides like shut down or gyno.

nitrous

15-10-2009, 01:10 PM

Studies have shown there is no benefit to going over 500iu twice per week. 500iu is just a waste and definitely can trigger sides like shut down or gyno.

post the studies.. would be nice to know who conducted it.. how many people it was tested on.. and the actual results

tex

15-10-2009, 04:34 PM

Studies have shown there is no benefit to going over 500iu twice per week. 500iu is just a waste and definitely can trigger sides like shut down or gyno. i call bullshit ;) there is no proof to any of that...and 500iu is an hrt dose...to get the balls up and running after a heavy cycle id say 2000iu+ eod for 2 weeks......as far as the sides (not getting off), id say its the aromasin more than anything....@ 2500iu's i was having sex as much as i could get and still masturbating at least twice daily.....

nitrous

15-10-2009, 04:35 PM

i call bullshit ;) there is no proof to any of that...and 500iu is an hrt dose...to get the balls up and running after a heavy cycle id say 2000iu+ eod for 2 weeks......

exactly why i wanted to see these studies lol

GYMBRAT

16-10-2009, 12:08 PM

I hear ya ^ I remember reading yrs ago in the ol Anabolic Reference Guide 6th issue ha, that it was recommended at 1-2000iu's per wk for optimal results but for no more than 3wks at a time and with a mth off in between...huh! Said also that it raises androgen lvls in males of up to 400% though also raises estrogen lvls dramatically as well ;) and there for resulting in a higher chance of getting Gyno :)

theboss

16-10-2009, 12:41 PM

500iu works well for me..that i know.

GYMBRAT

16-10-2009, 12:44 PM

500iu works well for me..that i know.

That's what I've always used (and will continue) as well and works just fine for me too.

nitrous

16-10-2009, 01:06 PM

only 1 more shot left and still no gyno for me.. last night i felt great in the gym.. and weighed in at 175.. not bad when the peak of my cycle i was only 176..

GYMBRAT

16-10-2009, 01:26 PM

good job bro!

nisser

16-10-2009, 09:04 PM

Ok my opinion is that you are shut down badly right now and aromasin is making it worse. I had the exact same problem last cycle. I was horny as a mother****er, got of TEst Prop and it 2 weeks of aromasin/nolva use I couldn't get off for the life of me.

How long ago did you stop test? Again, I think you're just shut down and hcg (and the rest of your PCT) hasn't kicked in yet.

nitrous

16-10-2009, 09:10 PM

last injection of test was september 8th.. i was doing just a clomid and aromasin pct and then stopped it cuz i was having worse libido issues and started HCG with aromasin at 12.5mg ED and after i finish HCG i'm going to keep the aromasin going and add in clomid at 100mg ED for a few weeks

nisser

17-10-2009, 12:23 AM

Yeah you're just shut down and aromasin is making it worse. get back on clomid or nolva but don't use 100mg ED (50mg of clomid or 20mg of nolva). Try to take a lower dose of aromasin as well...

gustavo77

17-10-2009, 12:33 AM

500iu works well for me..that i know.

That's cause you are using it continuously (properly IMO)...once the leydig cells of the testes shut down for a decent amount of time, 500iu will be only somewhat effective at restoring testicular function. Higher doses are needed. However i believe the threshold to be 1500iu every third day...any more and there is a risk of over-stimulation of the leydig cells and potentially damage to the cells.

kloan

17-10-2009, 02:36 AM

i call bullshit ;) there is no proof to any of that...and 500iu is an hrt dose...to get the balls up and running after a heavy cycle id say 2000iu+ eod for 2 weeks......as far as the sides (not getting off), id say its the aromasin more than anything....@ 2500iu's i was having sex as much as i could get and still masturbating at least twice daily.....

250iu twice week worked fine for me. 2 weeks my boys were bigger and fuller than they were before the cycle. thats all the proof i need to know it works.

though i'll probably have to use a bit more this time around.

nitrous

17-10-2009, 03:50 AM

However i believe the threshold to be 1500iu every third day...any more and there is a risk of over-stimulation of the leydig cells and potentially damage to the cells.

have any studies that prove this? i've heard this as well but never seen any actual studies on it

gustavo77

17-10-2009, 05:55 PM

have any studies that prove this? i've heard this as well but never seen any actual studies on it

Nope... but i have two friends in the States that have been prescribed 1000-1500iu of HCG e3rd day for HRT and they both asked the doc about the dosages prescribed. Both doc's seem to concur that 1000-1500iu seems to be the standard dosage prescribed nowadays and that doses any higher can cause estrogen related side effects and over time MAY damage the leydig cells of the testes. Whether this is true or not bro, i am no doc so....but i prefer to err on the side of caution when it comes to my boyz...

Solo59

17-10-2009, 07:06 PM

currently on HCG 2000iu EOD for 10 days... only side effects i seem to be having that are out of the norm would be more acne... i'm on day 6 and i have had 2 bigger ones on my chest and ive got 3 on my face right now.. normally its 0 all around.. and the other is it is extremely difficult to get off.. i can get hard no problem.. and i stay pretty hard.. but getting off is really tough.. one night i had to just give up with the gf cuz it just wasnt happening lol

these normal? only thing else i'm taking is aromasin 12.5mg ED... its not a big deal just curious if its the HCG or what it is

This is curious. When I've run 1000 iu each day for 10 days right at the end of cycles, I'm felt like I'm a walking orgasm, like just the right (or the wrong) stimulus and splat, an involuntary splurge:o. During sex, I would cum quickly but then be ready again in no time at all. Large HCG doses are aphrodisiac, man! Aromasin wouldn't hurt that, so maybe it's just that the on-cycle test has already left your system?

Solo

BAM

17-10-2009, 07:12 PM

That's cause you are using it continuously (properly IMO)...once the leydig cells of the testes shut down for a decent amount of time, 500iu will be only somewhat effective at restoring testicular function. Higher doses are needed. However i believe the threshold to be 1500iu every third day...any more and there is a risk of over-stimulation of the leydig cells and potentially damage to the cells.

^^This is my understanding from everything I have ever read about it.

GYMBRAT

17-10-2009, 09:21 PM

That's cause you are using it continuously (properly IMO)...once the leydig cells of the testes shut down for a decent amount of time, 500iu will be only somewhat effective at restoring testicular function. Higher doses are needed. However i believe the threshold to be 1500iu every third day...any more and there is a risk of over-stimulation of the leydig cells and potentially damage to the cells.

so I wonder if one used HCG in the higher iu ratio just to get the "boys" back up to par then slack off the HCG again until needed? or would continuing it till the end is the more effective choice?

nitrous

17-10-2009, 11:09 PM

This is curious. When I've run 1000 iu each day for 10 days right at the end of cycles, I'm felt like I'm a walking orgasm, like just the right (or the wrong) stimulus and splat, an involuntary splurge:o. During sex, I would cum quickly but then be ready again in no time at all. Large HCG doses are aphrodisiac, man! Aromasin wouldn't hurt that, so maybe it's just that the on-cycle test has already left your system?

Solo

yeah the test has been out of my system for awhile thats for sure since my last injection was over a month ago.. (yes i ****ed up my pct lol) i feel great besides my libido being all over the place

tex

18-10-2009, 01:02 AM

"Males: Not Due To Anatomical Obstruction: 4 000 USP units, 3 times weekly, for 2 to 3 weeks, or 1 000 USP units, 3 times weekly for 6 to 8 weeks. The dosage schedule may vary to some extent, depending upon the age when treatment is given. If the dosage is adequate, there will usually be some indication, following one such course of therapy, whether descent will occur or surgery be required.

Selected Cases of Hypogonadotropic Hypogonadism in Males: 4 000 to 5 000 USP units 3 times weekly for 6 to 8 weeks with a rest period of 2 to 3 weeks between courses of therapy."

there ya go....for its intended use in males....:)

i should make this more clear...doses this high are used to initiate the onset of puberty...but it goes to show you that high doses are used in medicine so the risk/reward ratio must be alright.......

nitrous

18-10-2009, 03:00 PM

4,000 to 5,000 3 times a week for 6-8 weeks? lol that makes my dosage look tiny

tex

18-10-2009, 03:29 PM

well...thats in extreme cases with undescended testicles......bear in mind during my experience on aas i was on a long (10+ month) and suppressive cycle and there were points in my cycle were my testes went back up inside.....i could actually pop them back down cuz they were sitting nearly above my c@ck at times.....the pct protocol i followed (1000-2500iu's hcg) got me up and running in no time! if i were ever to run aas again (undecided but probably not for a long time) i would follow the protocol that Praetorian has given out several times.....hcg @ 2000iu eod for 2 weeks with 25mg aromasin ed for 6 weeks......running clomid upon cessation of the hcg.....

edit: id like to add that ive kept nearly everything and this is 5 months out....strength is above where it was "on" and my weight is now increasing!