Log in

View Full Version : Tribulus Study



spiderman7
14-10-2009, 09:49 PM
posted by bouncer on SM

Tribulus terrestris has no hormonal effects
The claims made by Tribulus terrestris supplements sellers are unfounded. Physiologists at the Universidade Federal do Parana in Brazil come to this conclusion in an animal study that will be published soon in the Journal of Ethnopharmacology. In experiments that they did, tribulus had no hormonal effects on rats.

In countries around the Mediterranean, herbal healers traditionally use extracts of the plant Tribulus terrestris as a remedy for infertility and impotence problems. Modern scientific studies have also confirmed the efficacy of tribulus for these complaints. In addition, however, the supplements industry started selling the same tribulus as a sports supplement, claiming that tribulus raises testosterone levels. One theory that supplements companies use to support their claims is that natural steroid compounds in tribulus are converted into DHEA or another testosterone prohormone.

The Brazilians decided to see whether this theory holds water. They gave the tribulus supplement Androsten, produced by the Brazilian supplements company Herbarium, to rats for a period of 28 days in doses of 11, 42 and 110 mg per kg bodyweight. The lowest dose is equivalent to the usual dose used by humans. Other groups of rats were given a daily 5 mg dose of DHEA per kg bodyweight, about ten times the amount that supplements companies advise humans to take, or 0.25 mg/kg testosterone propionate or 0.1 mg/kg ethinyl estradiol. The researchers administered all the hormones, dissolved in rapeseed oil, orally.

The tribulus extracts had no androgenic effect on castrated rats. The animals’ prostates did not grow as a result of being given tribulus. The testosterone propionate supplement, however, did have a growth-enhancing effect on the prostate.

When the researchers examined the faeces of the rats in the tribulus groups and compared them with those of the rats that had been given DHEA, they found that the faeces of the latter group contained more metabolites of male sex hormones. The faeces of the rats in the tribulus groups contained the same amounts of androgens as the faeces of the rats that had not had any supplements. So the theory that compounds in Tribulus terrestris are converted into DHEA or related steroid hormones does not hold water.

In female rats whose ovaries had been removed the tribulus extracts also had no hormonal effects, the Brazilians discovered when they compared cells from the uteruses of rats in the different groups.

A high dose of tribulus – but not the highest dose – did raise the testosterone level of the non-castrated rats, but the effect was not significant.

"Tribulus terrestris is not able to stimulate endocrine sensitive tissues such as the prostate, seminal vesicles, uterus and vagina in Wistar rats, indicating lack of androgenic and estrogenic activity in vivo", the researchers conclude. "We also showed an unchanged level of circulating androgens." The fertility of the rats was improved by the tribulus though.

It was already known that the manufacturers’ claims for tribulus supplements are not true. In 2008, doping hunters at the University of Lausanne in Switzerland reported that they had not been able to find any hormonal effects in tribulus users. Three years before, Bulgarian researchers had discovered that healthy men do not produce more testosterone as a result of taking Tribulus terrestris, [J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23.] and five years before that, sports scientists at the University of Nebraska reported that power athletes had nothing to gain from taking tribulus. [Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2000 Jun;10(2):208-15.]

A Tribulus variety that may have some effect is Tribulus alatus.

Source:
J Ethnopharmacol. 2009 Sep 22.

GYMBRAT
14-10-2009, 09:58 PM
Interesting thanks for the read

_Ragnar_
14-10-2009, 10:27 PM
So Trib is crap. Is this really news to anyone? Thanks for posting the study, It confirms what anyone who has ever used the crap already knew.

Ritch
14-10-2009, 10:52 PM
Not that I`m pro tribulus, but who gives a **** about studies done on rats?

jsv22
14-10-2009, 11:20 PM
Not that I`m pro tribulus, but who gives a **** about studies done on rats?

ya i agree, rats are A LOT different then humans.

#8
15-10-2009, 12:06 AM
^^ biologically, rats are actually VERY similar to humans.

baza
15-10-2009, 12:09 AM
Not that I`m pro tribulus, but who gives a **** about studies done on rats?

Agree, not that I'm pro tribulus either, have never used it, but I'm willing to bet there are studies that say the exact opposite.

Sean Summers
15-10-2009, 12:11 AM
Yes, you DON'T want Tribulus Terrestris. Tribulus Alatus on the other hand is a different story!
SS

baza
15-10-2009, 12:29 AM
So after 10+ years of Terrestris, it'll now be Alatus?

Drummer
15-10-2009, 01:34 AM
Trib lol

HardWood
15-10-2009, 03:10 AM
Alatus?....here we go again...

kloan
15-10-2009, 03:26 AM
Why do it on castrated rats? What if the benefits are dependent on actually having testicles?

Do a study on MEN, with balls in tact, then tell me the results..

champcar99
15-10-2009, 02:17 PM
Why do it on castrated rats? What if the benefits are dependent on actually having testicles?

Do a study on MEN, with balls in tact, then tell me the results..

AGREED 100%

L3
15-10-2009, 02:52 PM
there was a study published on Rugby players, i believe... except they only gave them like 350mg ED.... i take 6000mg ED ... i belive it works or why does the back of my head get super hot and i get antsy 30mins post ingestion???


EDIT: i should watch my typos!!!

Sean Summers
15-10-2009, 03:19 PM
6000g? Wow, how do you get that in? LOL
SS

hyperlite32
15-10-2009, 03:59 PM
That is a ton!

IronMan
15-10-2009, 04:27 PM
Yah thats interesting they did the study on castrated rats. I'm saying this because a few tribulus studies that I have read stated that when tribulus is taking, it causes a chemical reaction once digested sending singnals to the testicles to produce more LH, which in males is testosterone. So if you would do a study on castrated rats there would be no pathway for the chemical reaction/mechanism in the body for the testicles to products more testosterone.

On the other hand, Testofen has had alot of hype over it actually working in a double blind, randomized, placebo controlled human study on Testofen to evaluate its affect on muscle mass and free testosterone increase.

baza
15-10-2009, 04:32 PM
there was a study published on Rugby players, i believe... except they only gave them like 350mg ED.... i take 6000mg ED ... i belive it works or why does the back of my head get super hot and i get antsy 30mins post ingestion???


EDIT: i should watch my typos!!!

I'm sure a lot of things could make your head super hot after digestion at high dose, doesn't mean it works... I guess it would depend what head though. lol

Pretty stupid to test wtih 350mgs with the Rugby players. What's the point really.

St
15-10-2009, 05:58 PM
Just like Smilax or Boron haha.

GYMBRAT
16-10-2009, 11:25 AM
Just like Smilax or Boron haha.

holy shiat I haven't heard of them in yrs LOL, I got sucked in to trying them both when I was younger LOL!

BlueStar
16-10-2009, 12:26 PM
On the other hand, Testofen has had alot of hype over it actually working in a double blind, randomized, placebo controlled human study on Testofen to evaluate its affect on muscle mass and free testosterone increase.

don't want to sound bias since use Testofen in one of my products... but alot of GREAT feedback on it..

there is another study coming out in about two weeks again by them... will post it once its released if you're interested.

GYMBRAT
16-10-2009, 01:34 PM
yeah post it bro, all info is good info

Ritch
16-10-2009, 04:35 PM
another thing about studies done on mice... Remember the myostatin studies done with mice? And we all remember how that worked out on humans.

CanMan101
16-10-2009, 05:01 PM
AGREED 100%

Also agree here. Trib is said to increase LH which then increases test production in the boys...so this study makes no sense in that aspect.

My personal experience has been good with regular trib. It's no miracle supplement but I wouldn't say it absolutely does not work.

YYZgeddylee
16-10-2009, 06:05 PM
I guess I'll have to remove Tribulus T.
from my famous super supplement stack,
guaranteed to increase mass by 1480%,
25lb of solid muscle in just 4 weeks.


It contains 5000 X the recommended
daily allowance of the following:
Tribulus, Diosterol, Boron, Vanadyl ,
Ecdysterone, Powdered Bull Testes,
HMB, Chromium Picolinate, Inosine,
Myostatin, Ferulic Acid, Pyruvate,
Mumi, MuscleTech, Brewers Yeast,
Chitosan.

Juicy_brucy
16-10-2009, 07:48 PM
Tribulus has never done a thing for me, except drain my bank account.

warlock
16-10-2009, 08:01 PM
Not that I`m pro tribulus, but who gives a **** about studies done on rats?

Everyone as rats are use dto make most of teh studies as pigs and apes are too expensive

MikeyFXD35
16-10-2009, 09:46 PM
Human blood work is the only study that counts.

jaws
17-10-2009, 10:32 AM
Also agree here. Trib is said to increase LH which then increases test production in the boys...so this study makes no sense in that aspect.

My personal experience has been good with regular trib. It's no miracle supplement but I wouldn't say it absolutely does not work.


I love trib I find it gives me a lil boost while not cycling Its also make me a little hornier than usual and for me it does give a little extra boost in the Gym ,I usually run trib ter at 3g ED.
Then again everyone is different.