MMA & AAS

[Memo]

So, I am looking for opinions, cycles, stories & whatever you guys want to talk about.

I train BJJ & I like aas. I would like to talk about this with people with similar interest!

If you have cycle samples that would be beneficial for a mma practitioner please share with us.

[Varlover]

I am a huge fan of MMA and train BJJ and Muay Thai. It seems that most times someone gets pinched, its for Boldenone or Nandralone though there have been guys pinched for winstrol and masteron. I would say that the guys getting popped for Deca and EQ are the guys doing it to help recover from training and the others are doing it for esthetic reasons. The EQ will help endurance where something like tren would kill it IIRC.

[Memo]

I am a huge fan of MMA and train BJJ and Muay Thai. It seems that most times someone gets pinched, its for Boldenone or Nandralone though there have been guys pinched for winstrol and masteron. I would say that the guys getting popped for Deca and EQ are the guys doing it to help recover from training and the others are doing it for esthetic reasons. The EQ will help endurance where something like tren would kill it IIRC.

I agree, it's why I am taking EQ right now.. I believe that 600mg/week is too much for my heart, so I will have to reduce.

Do you use any anabolic yourself to help with training? What do you guys think of using anavar?

[Varlover]

I havent used in a long time and havent done any MA training in about a year. Anavar is good but oral only cycles arent a good thing though the extra strength would help a bit. In MMA though skill > strength.

[thetorontodude]

Prop, var, and gh. Some use epo as well.

[MMASTAR]

Doesnt primo have increase RBC and have a positive effect on endurance? On top of that it doesnt aromatize and burns fat while adding quality size... sounds good to me.

[tex]

no aas burns fat. aas can help lose fat while dieting due to more positive nutrient partitioning. if you are a drug tested athlete you wont want to run eq, deca.......if i used aas and competed in a drug tested sport and i wanted to be a dirty cheater ;) id use test suspension and var...maybe gh but i hear they are gonna start testing for it but i dont know how reliable this test is........

[Memo]

no aas burns fat. aas can help lose fat while dieting due to more positive nutrient partitioning. if you are a drug tested athlete you wont want to run eq, deca.......if i used aas and competed in a drug tested sport and i wanted to be a dirty cheater ;) id use test suspension and var...maybe gh but i hear they are gonna start testing for it but i dont know how reliable this test is........

The thing is that I fight amateur, no testing, a lot of people seems to be using as well. Is it really cheating? What is the difference between legal supplement or steroid? Seriously I think its all the same stuff. I would rather not turn the thread into a ethical flaming war.

[MMASTAR]

The thing is that I fight amateur, no testing, a lot of people seems to be using as well. Is it really cheating? What is the difference between legal supplement or steroid? Seriously I think its all the same stuff. I would rather not turn the thread into a ethical flaming war.

ya i think shooting test is the same as using a good pre workout OTC supplement as well...LMAO

[Memo]

ya i think shooting test is the same as using a good pre workout OTC supplement as well...LMAO

This is legitimate thinking.

[MMASTAR]

This is legitimate thinking.

I was joking, of course using AAS is cheating, your using unatural methods to make your body stronger and faster...

[JifeLacket]

Get some of that freezing gel from the dentist and put it on your face... (thats why you see guys having to touch their face after a big hit they cant feel if they are cut or not lol!)

100mg suspension pre fight...

Skill is so much of it obviously... i can still tool guys that are 50lb heavier than me and i get killed by my bro that is 10lb lighter than me.. haha

I ****ed up my elbow(s) from training too much so i switched sports 4 years ago :(

[Varlover]

I was joking, of course using AAS is cheating, your using unatural methods to make your body stronger and faster...

Funny thing is though, almost all the guys that get pinched, lost their fights.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

First, useing Steroids is not cheating! Your actualy better off being completely clean for a fight though, hence the fact that most guys that are jacked up on the juice loose their fights, there are a lot of reasons why they loose, but i can tell you that in training these guys maybe top dog but fighting is a whole other thing, it's about 90% mental, and the juice can **** with your head... i've used anavar for training and it works great, sometimes the pump can be your enemy however, getting pumped in the weight room is great and everything but when i train mma and boxing i sometimes ice my shoulders between sessions to reduce the pump... i've used d-bol 5 years ago and the training on it was shit, all i wanted to do was lift weights... so far imo, the best and number 1 drug for training mma is clenbuteral! i treid it for the first time about a week ago and i couldn't believe how powerfull it was, i mean people who say its not anabolic may technicaly be correct, but for me it was just like the juice, i was more jacked on it then anavar! however after about 3 weeks of useing it everyday i found that my heart beggan to feel pretty heavy, so i switch to ECA, i kept my endurance gains which i'm happy about same with fat loss too... in about 3 weeks i'm starting a simple prop/clen/winny cycle for 8 weeks, 75-100mg EOD, and 3 weeks of 30mg winny at the end, i want to loose even more weight on this cycle, i hear that the healing qualities are great on test, so we'll see! i think the key to useing juice for sports is to simply use half of what the dudes that BB use, like serioulsy you don't need alot at all to get the perfomance enhancing benifits from aas.

[tex]

in about 3 weeks i'm starting a simple prop/clen/winny cycle for 8 weeks, 75-100mg EOD, and 3 weeks of 30mg winny at the end, i want to loose even more weight on this cycle, i hear that the healing qualities are great on test, so we'll see! i think the key to useing juice for sports is to simply use half of what the dudes that BB use, like serioulsy you don't need alot at all to get the perfomance enhancing benifits from aas. so when youre using supraphysiological levels of testosterone your collagen synthesis goes down...Significantly....and you are gonna be taking winstrol as well....which will make your tendons grow at a pretty good level but the downfall of winstrol is that it makes your tendons brittle.....combine that with the lack of collagen synthesis from your test prop and you get big, brittle tendons.....not what i would want if i got some ape twisting my arm, knee etc....recipe for pain and suffering bro.....you arent using too much of either compound but i figured id chime in anyways...cuz the risk is there fo sho....shill hunter over and out.....

[guest]

like said above, avoid anything that is going to give you an excessive pump, great for BB but disaster for MMA. i practice muay thai and i usually run low dose test and maybe some masteron. winny also worked well. i dont care for var but a lot of peep like it. eq gave me too much of a pump.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

so when youre using supraphysiological levels of testosterone your collagen synthesis goes down...Significantly....and you are gonna be taking winstrol as well....which will make your tendons grow at a pretty good level but the downfall of winstrol is that it makes your tendons brittle.....combine that with the lack of collagen synthesis from your test prop and you get big, brittle tendons.....not what i would want if i got some ape twisting my arm, knee etc....recipe for pain and suffering bro.....you arent using too much of either compound but i figured id chime in anyways...cuz the risk is there fo sho....shill hunter over and out.....

thanks for the input... i've done research on this too but i figured that as long as i did a low dose of winny for 30 days at the end, i could get away with no problems... i've done winstrol both inject and tabs with no problems surprisingly, i hear alot of guys talk of these aches and troubles with their joints but i have yet to experience it... i have a buddy who claims these sides too but he was running 100mg EOD... i have some EQ just sitting there too, i don't know why but i baught like a shit load of juice just to in case lol, anyway i was planning on an EQ/test cycle but i've decided to just try the test on its own, cuz i've never test before, so no point in stacking too much too soon... i suppose i'll just stock up on natty supps for my joints and shit, i really don't know anyother option other than NPP.

[Robobrob]

Currently into my 3rd week of 12 week 500mg/week Test E. Primary purpose is cutting from 220lbs ~20% bf to 10-12% bf (-20lbs) and keep my strength/power where it's at.

Lifts were up a bit today, weight is about the same but my waist has dropped a little over an inch (measured just below the belly button). Haven't noticed any cardio difference or pump problems yet during bjj training. I imagine if pumps are going to become a problem I'll start feeling them by the end of the week or next week (cross the fingers).


I'm a firm believer in KISS, and in a sport where weight is often the enemy I wouldn't recommend anything other than a simple test cycle to help with strength gains. But that's just me :)

[jacked_to_the_nine]

like said above, avoid anything that is going to give you an excessive pump, great for BB but disaster for MMA. i practice muay thai and i usually run low dose test and maybe some masteron. winny also worked well. i dont care for var but a lot of peep like it. eq gave me too much of a pump.

what's the dose you run your test? cuz i can put on weight incredibly easily and i'm hopeing this attribute won't be an issue with the test... i figure you rely on speed your self. still clenbuteral has been the best performance enhancer i've ever used.

[Memo]

what's the dose you run your test? cuz i can put on weight incredibly easily and i'm hopeing this attribute won't be an issue with the test... i figure you rely on speed your self. still clenbuteral has been the best performance enhancer i've ever used.

Clen probably very hard on your heart

[Durk]

what's the dose you run your test? cuz i can put on weight incredibly easily and i'm hopeing this attribute won't be an issue with the test... i figure you rely on speed your self. still clenbuteral has been the best performance enhancer i've ever used.

lol doesnt a vial of test last you like half a year bana

[Memo]

lol doesnt a vial of test last you like half a year bana
get a t400 and pin 0.5cc a week. one every 5 months.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

Clen probably very hard on your heart

shit ya its heavy on the ticker man, after about 3 weeks of use you just start gassing out, your systolic pressure just gets too high... but its way worth useing, because so far from my experience the endurance gains i made, which i messure by timed sprints and the like, have been kept, but i garentee that abusing clenbuteral could tottaly **** you up! i stopped useing it right away when i noticed that my performance began to hinder, didn't even crash just went onto an ECA stack and all is fine. i was using 150mcg ED.

[Memo]

shit ya its heavy on the ticker man, after about 3 weeks of use you just start gassing out, your systolic pressure just gets too high... but its way worth useing, because so far from my experience the endurance gains i made, which i messure by timed sprints and the like, have been kept, but i garentee that abusing clenbuteral could tottaly **** you up! i stopped useing it right away when i noticed that my performance began to hinder, didn't even crash just went onto an ECA stack and all is fine. i was using 150mcg ED.

I am concern about my BP, at rest my bp is about 120/70 but during intense sparing session I feel some heart discomfort. I have history of stimulant abuse, so It might be related.

[tex]

no stimulants for you, sir.

[Memo]

no stimulants for you, sir.

crystal meth is a bitch, 2 year clean!

[guest]

lol doesnt a vial of test last you like half a year bana

haha, yeah. i dont usually take more than 250mg every 5-7 days of test.

you might laugh, but i was doing my best on 75mg cyp/25mg mast EOD.

[Memo]

haha, yeah. i dont usually take more than 250mg every 5-7 days of test.

you might laugh, but i was doing my best on 75mg cyp/25mg mast EOD.

Masteron look very interesting. How good you think a cycle like 250mg test/200mg EQ/100mg mast a week would be.

[guest]

Masteron look very interesting. How good you think a cycle like 250mg test/200mg EQ/100mg mast a week would be.

everyone is different, that might work well for you. preferably i would try EOD injections to keep levels stable...but that's just me and my advice could be shit, lol.

[Memo]

everyone is different, that might work well for you. preferably i would try EOD injections to keep levels stable...but that's just me and my advice could be shit, lol.

I find that many injection in my quad, and they get really stiff.

[guest]

I find that many injection in my quad, and they get really stiff.

rotate with gluts and delts.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

I am concern about my BP, at rest my bp is about 120/70 but during intense sparing session I feel some heart discomfort. I have history of stimulant abuse, so It might be related.


ha ya i see... i've had the same issue in the past and i use to smoke a pack a day too, i was a real **** up, but i've been clean for about 6 years now and it seriously took this long to feel like an athlete again lol! funny thing is i actualy competed in muay thai high all the time too lol! one time i snorted a shit load of oxy cottin before a fight and i remeber nothing excpet me swinging and missing ahhahaaa! oh sweet memories... but all that is in the past now and i have a heart of a horse now, hence why clen prolly worked so well for me... but you don't need to run it at high doses either, remember, it's not about what you look like, it's about performance right... i know so many athletes that you would never suspect were useing if you looked at them but they indeed are, they just don't use aas for asthetic purposes... i'm not gonna lie though, looking jacked rocks, so it dosn't hurt to hit the weights like a BB'der every now and then!

[Memo]

ha ya i see... i've had the same issue in the past and i use to smoke a pack a day too, i was a real **** up, but i've been clean for about 6 years now and it seriously took this long to feel like an athlete again lol! funny thing is i actualy competed in muay thai high all the time too lol! one time i snorted a shit load of oxy cottin before a fight and i remeber nothing excpet me swinging and missing ahhahaaa! oh sweet memories... but all that is in the past now and i have a heart of a horse now, hence why clen prolly worked so well for me... but you don't need to run it at high doses either, remember, it's not about what you look like, it's about performance right... i know so many athletes that you would never suspect were useing if you looked at them but they indeed are, they just don't use aas for asthetic purposes... i'm not gonna lie though, looking jacked rocks, so it dosn't hurt to hit the weights like a BB'der every now and then!

This is my problem. I used to be all about BB, and just one year ago I got into BJJ. I still enjoy looking good & big.