The "black" list.

[HardWood]

I had a package get lifted by customs from overseas.

After a couple of weeks i got what I've heard of as "the letter" explaining why it was taken and what it contained after testing.

Fair enough.

Some say, part of the deal. Risk taken, loss taken.


But what of this "black list" i've heard of?

Some say after a shipment seizure that i can never expect to recive a package from my overseas friends again.

Question: Does The Black List Exist.

Any light on this here?

My personal feeling is that the list does not exist because there are too many names and too many packages to sort thru.

Yes, i've read the threads on this and there was plenty of argument about weather there is electronic scanning, data compilation and cross referencing of names and addresses.

Again I think not, but I'm curious of others experiences and knowledge.

[ryankely]

It's bs,canada customs sucks right now but for years I ordered int. maybe 1 out of 20 got seized,(more often than not I never even got a letter)then I would get 10 or so more after that before another seizure.

[RagingRandy]

I can not confirm the list exists or not. What I can say is I have had international paks come through after receiving such a letter. Therefore I doubt it exists.

[theboss]

i think i'll stick with canada post....pretty reliable when sending birthday cards to mom.

[faller]

i think i'll stick with canada post....pretty reliable when sending birthday cards to mom.

Lol, i was too lazy to get a birthday card so i sent her a Christmass card instead since i had one laying around. :D

[Andre]

The list does exist... I know for a fact... like anything else in life... it's not perfect...

[nitrous]

ya that list would be so easy to create using a simple website and a database so i would assume that it exists..

[Andre]

A couple years ago I ordered some 'legit' products from a major online reseller in the US... This was around the same time that this product was being banned in Canada... I had never had problems before and was ordering about a months supply at a time... I knew the product was going to be harder to get, so I ordered a box of 12 and it never showed up...

At the same time I was doing alot of air travelling into the US... almost every time coming back I was being pulled aside and had my bags searched... one time coming back, the guy at customs (young guy who also worked out) asked me if I knew why I was always getting pulled aside... I played dumb... he showed me on the screen that I had been flagged... he told me to be careful... real decent guy!

That's the g-d honest truth... my advice to everyone is the same as I was given, BE CAREFUL!

[waderow]

yes, you will be noted in the govt database that you attempted to import steroids. happens too many times and too many ... or any for that matter.... big shipments... knock knock knock

[bongd]

Your name and address are likely flagged. Be careful with how much you're receiving from now on because after a certain amount you will likely be contacted. I've only heard of this happening to one person online and never heard from him again. I don't know if that was legit or not, but it's sketchy nonetheless.

Time for a new name and address.

[baza]

The list exists, they take the millions of envelops and packages that come through daily, look at the name on it, then they look it up in the list to see if they should check it or not...

[Memo]

I work for canada post, and they have a database of Suspicious transaction. This system was put there by rcmp to fight money laundering & drug trafficking.

Everytime I have a suspicious transaction, I have to check something on the computer and fill an electronic form.

I dont know if this is related. But this list of people-suspicious transaction is real-time shared with RCMP & American authorities. This new computer system with canada post got implemented less than a year ago.

I don't know anything about a custom list, but it might be all interconnected.

[Mad-Bull]

I work for canada post, and they have a database of Suspicious transaction. This system was put there by rcmp to fight money laundering & drug trafficking.

Everytime I have a suspicious transaction, I have to check something on the computer and fill an electronic form.

I dont know if this is related. But this list of people-suspicious transaction is real-time shared with RCMP & American authorities. This new computer system with canada post got implemented less than a year ago.

I don't know anything about a custom list, but it might be all interconnected.

Wow awesome post

[Andre]

In other words... be careful... and don't trick yourselves into a false sense of security!

[baza]

The bank does the same thing. Really means **** all though.

[#8]

wtf is a suspicious transaction?

how does one qualify for such an event?

[baza]

wtf is a suspicious transaction?

how does one qualify for such an event?

If you're Muslim. Just kidding.
Anything suspicious to the employee, ie large amount of cash, guy acts weird, certain destinations, etc.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

I question why people's logic is to go international for ANYTHING, when we have it all domestically.---Do not PM me: List me either, because I don't buy juice.

In the new era of the Internet market, you would have to know a lot of HOW-TO go about purchasing building materials from over seas providers. Where there is a way, there is a way....ok you know what I mean, I forget the saying.

The R.C.M.P. in conjunction with other agencies love to build cases against people. The gov may not bust you right away, but they will file carefully, your deliveries DATED MANY MANY YEARS back.
International as well as domestic deliveries are subject to similar rulings. An illegal activity here or in B.C. still is an illegal activity.

If you plan on purchasing building supplies from an online supplier, be sure you know there is a (AND WILL ALWAYS) risk involved.


B2J

[PdH]

One rationale for ordering overseas is to get HG without having to miss a mortgage payment.

[z83]

One rationale for ordering overseas is to get HG without having to miss a mortgage payment.

exactly

[Memo]

wtf is a suspicious transaction?

how does one qualify for such an event?

There is a 30 page document about how to detect a suspicious transaction. Like large sum of cash for COD or Money Gram. Anything more than 600$ will be flagged.

Actually, terrorist activities is a major part of the document. Money sent overseas on a regular basis, more than 400$ a week by the same person would be flagged.

Large amount of fives or tens. Most stuff related to moneygram & COD get special attention. Not much is related to regular packages.

[Pullverisor]

I work for canada post, and they have a database of Suspicious transaction. This system was put there by rcmp to fight money laundering & drug trafficking.

Everytime I have a suspicious transaction, I have to check something on the computer and fill an electronic form.

I dont know if this is related. But this list of people-suspicious transaction is real-time shared with RCMP & American authorities. This new computer system with canada post got implemented less than a year ago.

I don't know anything about a custom list, but it might be all interconnected.
It sounds like you work at a service counter because you're talking about financial transactions. The OP is asking about incoming parcels seizures...apples and oranges. Anyway here's criteria that Canada Post uses to determine possible "Suspicous Mail". By the way, pretty much same things the US Postal Service looks for.

A combination of the following may constitute a suspicious mail item:

* Suspicious items may be addressed to specific individuals and could bear restricted endorsements such as "PERSONAL", "PRIVATE", "TO BE OPENED ONLY BY", etc.;
* Addressee's name/title may be inaccurate;
* No return address or the return address may be fictitious, from a foreign country and/or even indecipherable;
* Suspicious items may display distorted handwriting or the name and address may be prepared with home-made labels or cut-and-paste lettering;
* Suspicious items may have protruding wires, aluminium foil, oil, or grease stains on the wrapping and can emit a peculiar odour;
* Cancellation or postmark may indicate a different location than the return address or that the item was mailed from a foreign country;
* Excessive amounts of postage using low denominations;
* Excessive binding, taping and tying material;
* Unprofessionally wrapped with several combinations of tape used to secure the package and may have special endorsements: "Fragile - Handle with Care", "Rush - Do Not Delay" or "Special Delivery";
* Letters may feel rigid or appear uneven or lopsided;
* Parcels may have an irregular shape with soft spots or bulges;
* Parcels may have a buzzing or ticking noise or a sloshing sound;
* Parcels or letters may have a powdery substance observed on the exterior of item

Remember to look for these indicators:

* No return address
* Restrictive markings
* Mailed from foreign country
* Excessive postage
* Misspelled words
* Addressed to title only
* Rigid or bulky
* Badly typed or written
* Strange odour
* Protruding wires
* Excessive Wrapping
* Oily stains on wrapping
* Lopsided

[nisser]

This definitely does exist; the fact that things get through could be just an imperfect system. I had a friend who simply couldn't order shit on his name/his address and had to ship it to another guy.

[Memo]

It sounds like you work at a service counter because you're talking about financial transactions. The OP is asking about incoming parcels seizures...apples and oranges.


I did not say I knew anything about this, all I said was that we were working with a list and could report suspicious transaction live with the computer.

[hyperlite32]

If you do nothing worng, there is NOTHING to worry about. Palin and Simple.

[phatkid77]

so..everything is suspicious.....lol....atleast if i was an inspector :)

phats

[CanadianIron]

A couple weeks after my last shipment was seized my parents were pulled apart returning to Canada in their car...

The customs people interogated them and tore their car apart.. when all was said and done they said "Sorry, there was a missunderstanding"... I personally think it has to do with me having the same name as my dad, but who knows.

I think they do have a list, they record everything. I just dont think they scan every package coming into Canada. My source resent and I got a new package a few weeks after the seizure.

[R-Money]

They keep track of all seizures. This doesn't guarantee that you will never receive a pack to the same addy. However, prior seizures can absolutely effect how they will treat any future seizures.

[Drummer]

yes you get flagged. does it mean nothing will get thru? no. Would i bother with int'l? no.

~D~