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[mooseman]

K folks here it is,, this is what i got Dbol,,winstrol and clen..orals...need to lose some bf,,gain some strength and muscle mass...how do I best use this,,what can be expected as i am a first timer... am 38yrs old,,25 lbs approx over my ideal normal wieght,,210 lbs currently.. i will read up for as much info as possible but always would appreciate ur input, advice,, suggestions,,criticisms lol whatever u may throw at me :bch

[varking]

read more please

[GYMBRAT]

JMO ;) but once again I'd run the clen and diet, diet, diet, cardio, cardio, cardio and lift, lift, lift till the cows come home :)

[spiderman7]

Give them to good trainer as payment.

[PdH]

JMO ;) but once again I'd run the clen and diet, diet, diet, cardio, cardio, cardio and lift, lift, lift till the cows come home :)

Agreed. Dbol will bloat you with water, and you'll lose any gains without a proper test base cycle. Winny is a finishing drug and you won't notice anything while you're overweight (except maybe sore joints).

[mooseman]

K so cardio cardio more cardio and then some more cardio and lift lift lift and lift some more and then even more,,shall do and i will diet diet diet...lol:popc2 so how owuld u run the cycle,,,start witht he dbol or do all three and at what dosages would u go for,,side effects and feelings,,,so how long before i would notice some effects would u figure...talk to me gents...

thanks:fwaveCanada Rocks...

[GYMBRAT]

LMFAO! I give :)

[_Ragnar_]

How would I run this cycle? Easy, I wouldn't.

[PdH]

In short, you don't have a cycle to run Bro. The gear you have isn't complimentary to one another. Dbol is run with test in order to bulk. Winny is used for hardening a physique that's carrying 5%-7% body fat. Running them together is useless.

[Memo]

He should run clen, diet to 12% bf, buy some test and do a dbol+ test to bulk 20 lbs and 4 month later do a test+winstrol to cut some extra.

Or take winstrol & dbol & clen and ask his wife to get ready for kidney transplant.

[mooseman]

lol youch...k well thanks for telling me in a language i can understand,,i was just reading that you could combine dbol and winstrol for good results,, its hard to tell whats what when u have no experience int his area...i was thinking that if you ran dbol and winstrol together you would make some gains and since with dbol it looks like water gains that the winstrol would sortof get rid of some of the water and harden evrything up so although the ultimate gains would not be a great as with dbol only they would be leaner i guess..

dont write me off yet lol i think i will just use the clen first and keep on with lots and lots of cardio and diet and then go for the dbol..

Thanks for your extended patience there guys..

[nisser]

Don't use anything; you're completely clueless on just about everything. Start reading first.

would you take random medications someone gave you without knowing what they are and what they do and hope for the best? Cuz that's what you're doing right now.,

[GYMBRAT]

that's better lol, now your talking! you'll be happy as long as you stick to your guns bro!!! (clen only)

Best of luck to you on your journey bro!

ps: don't be shy to ask any "logical" questions either, we're always here to help, listen and learn :)

[mooseman]

Thanks gents,,did more cardio this morning before work,,will keep going and going and you bet i am going to keep my trap shut for now and learn some more,, cant be hard when i dont know anything so it can only get better,,,going to get my body fat percentage measured today and will post it for u to have a peek at,,take care gents:a+

[Seth]

Just do your body a favor, don't stack orals

[Memo]

Thanks gents,,did more cardio this morning before work,,will keep going and going and you bet i am going to keep my trap shut for now and learn some more,, cant be hard when i dont know anything so it can only get better,,,going to get my body fat percentage measured today and will post it for u to have a peek at,,take care gents:a+

good

you should start by reading the profiles of some steroids like, EQ, TEST, DECA, WINNY etc, and REsearching about PCT.

[waderow]

Agree with everyone. Forget the steroids right now, and just get your diet and training in heck, and take your BF down to 12% at least, You can use the clen to help in this.

Then, take a look at a testosterone only cycle, and consider a long acting ester such as enanthate and take 500mg/week for 12-16 weeks. You will have to research on diet, as your diet will change at this time.

Save the dbol for cycle #2 to be stacked with the same test cycle.

Throw the winny away... its a gay drug

Also research on SERMS, AI, and PCT protocols.

[MikeyFXD35]

At 38 your natural test level is dropping, a visit to a doc could confirm this. running a test only cycle will give you everything you atr looking for, increase strenght and muscle mass, lower your BF and make you feel a whole lot better over all.

[guym]

At 38 your natural test level is dropping, a visit to a doc could confirm this. running a test only cycle will give you everything you atr looking for, increase strenght and muscle mass, lower your BF and make you feel a whole lot better over all.

Agreed, but in this case:

Please read/learn first, buy later!

And if you use Clen, please read up on proper dosing. :)

[mooseman]

:beatWell finally got my body fat calculated and its like 36 percent,,wow totally ws not expecting that high of a number..lots of work ahead of me obviously,,will try to get down to a decent number,,,

[JifeLacket]

Good on ya bro.. pounds may fly off quick to start but then it gets tough, thats when you really gotta push it!

Dont **** around and get it done! I would even read up on roids later... the time you spend reading now you could be doing some cardio :D

[smukker]

Diet,Cardio,and motivation is all you will need, dont be discouraged and just know it doesnt happen overnight. To get into the low bf digits is going to make you hate it for a while till you get use to dieting.