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I notice that on job aplications for a lot of good gov jobs they ask you if you are, caucasion, black, latino, native, asian, or other. I am not trying to make another race issue here, but I always, put down caucasion and I end up getting the please try again letter while people I know of a minority background end up getting the job and have 1/4th my credentials.
I have a extremely white name and last name because I took my step dads name, but I was wondering.
I am half sicilain Italian, and half german, but I look extremely ethnic dark hair, dark eyes, and fairly dark skin. I could spend a couple of weeks in a tanning bed, and look like Casey Slater from saved by the bell.
If I said I was other ethnicity would they recognise Italian as non caucasion? Espescially if I dont look very Caucasion? Discuss
I need to eat lol
Danger
05-10-2009, 01:16 AM
Most government jobs are actually awarded based on nepotism, when I got my interview they already had hired written on the form lol.
If you feel it's causing you NOT to get a job , than put down "other". You might have a better shot and your not lying , IMO.
cheesesteak
05-10-2009, 01:24 AM
Look this guy huh?
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/shoebee/ac.jpg
HoliTheCat
05-10-2009, 09:48 AM
fyi - that's AC Slater...not Casey. Jackass.
And I would certainly put 'other'. Brothers gotta eat.
Honestly, you should put down that you're female...when they ask...just say 'yes i am'. Then when they don't hire you - you can say they asked about your sexuality, etc in the interview (which is illegal) and then chose not to hire you based on your answers and your sexual orientations...BOOM...hired.
cheesesteak
05-10-2009, 09:57 AM
Who was Casey Slater on Saved by the Bell then?
I end up getting the please try again letter while people I know of a minority background end up getting the job and have 1/4th my credentials.
So then, what I hear you saying is that you and your minority buddies all go down and apply for the same jobs, and your buddies always get the jobs cause you're Caucasian and they're not. Think about that Durk.
So then, what I hear you saying is that you and your minority buddies all go down and apply for the same jobs, and your buddies always get the jobs cause you're Caucasian and they're not. Think about that Durk.
You have trouble reading?
Who was Casey Slater on Saved by the Bell then?
I meant the guy in the pic you posted. Havent watched it in a while.
cheesesteak
05-10-2009, 10:12 AM
It was the guy in the pic you posted. Havent watched it in a while.
I remember when that show was originally airing and I though he was so jacked. Turns out he's got like 15 or 16" arms. LOL
You have trouble reading?
No. My point is ticking an ethnicity box isn't going to get you a job, and if you think it is, I have a turnip truck I'd like to sell.
HoliTheCat
05-10-2009, 10:34 AM
No. My point is ticking an ethnicity box isn't going to get you a job, and if you think it is, I have a turnip truck I'd like to sell.
Hmmm...I gotta disagree to a certain extent. While it might not GET you the job automatically, not ticking in an ethnicity box can certainly hinder your chances (depending on the job) and government jobs...for sure.
Same shit as Univ. My cuz for years tried to get into this ****en program at univ (he has two degrees and was tryin' for this other thing...not sure what it was off the top of my head) - it took him 4 years to get in. Had 4 spots for caucasions, 10 or some shit for asians, 15 for whatever, etc, etc. They told him this. It was ****ed.
I truly believe, and have seen, that it is not who is best for the job. Not at all.
My opinion I guess. But the above is fact. It was a program at Uvic, and I believe it was a kinisiology (sp?) program of some sort.
steve_d
05-10-2009, 10:36 AM
I remember when that show was originally airing and I though he was so jacked. Turns out he's got like 15 or 16" arms. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_WhZ04A9vI
cheesesteak
05-10-2009, 10:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_WhZ04A9vI
Shit, I was real stupid when I was like 12.
steve_d
05-10-2009, 10:42 AM
assuming he is in 10th grade, its not that bad! although - he's probably 25 years old playing the part of this teenager. The guy is quite lean though. I bet if he actually worked out hard, he would have some decent potential. Not like I looked any more built then him during my teen years.
edit: just checked, and he was about 20 when the series ended, so yeah...not bad for an 16-18 year old goofball that probably hardly works out.
No. My point is ticking an ethnicity box isn't going to get you a job, and if you think it is, I have a turnip truck I'd like to sell.
I guess my college white friends are extremely dumb compared to the other ethnicities we went to school with. even though most of us have a lot more related work experience.
I am not hating on them for having jobs they are my friends as well. I will try and **** with the system a bit if it means me getting a job.
Same shit as Univ. My cuz for years tried to get into this ****en program at univ (he has two degrees and was tryin' for this other thing...not sure what it was off the top of my head) - it took him 4 years to get in. Had 4 spots for caucasions, 10 or some shit for asians, 15 for whatever, etc, etc. They told him this. It was ****ed. My opinion I guess. But the above is fact. It was a program at Uvic, and I believe it was a kinisiology (sp?) program of some sort.
Universities want international students b/c they pay far more tuition than Canadian citizens. Economics my friend.
As for job hiring inequality, look to nepotism as a primary factor, not so-called affirmative action. I've worked in both government and private sectors and there has been without question, far more Caucasians than token minorities. Frankly, I don't care what ethnicity people are, as long as they're competent.
steve_d
05-10-2009, 11:07 AM
Universities want international students b/c they pay far more tuition than Canadian citizens. Economics my friend.
As for job hiring inequality, look to nepotism as a primary factor, not so-called affirmative action. I've worked in both government and private sectors and there has been without question, far more Caucasians than token minorities. Frankly, I don't care what ethnicity people are, as long as they're competent.
I would think nepotism can't explain affirmative action - perhaps in some places...But in many places, affirmative action exists, but usually is stated up front (ie - we are equal oppurtunity employers and people with visible minority etc etc...those are the ones where you see the visibale minorities getting hired over the caucasians). I think its all bull. Whoever is better for the job should get it, ALWAYS. If being a certain race is somehow an advantage in your work then fine.
Reverse descrimination is a problem. Not sure if that is what is going on in your case.
Alot of it has to do with the type of jobs and workplace you are in. At my work, I am the minority. Maybe I got hired because they needed a caucasion man around here!
HoliTheCat
05-10-2009, 11:19 AM
Universities want international students b/c they pay far more tuition than Canadian citizens. Economics my friend.
True enough.
waderow
05-10-2009, 11:30 AM
anyone who thinks that the caucasian man does not have a handicap on the government job scene has spent too much time on campus and not enough time in the real world
RagingRandy
05-10-2009, 12:48 PM
Yes it is the USA, but these things do happen here....
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/29/supreme.court.discrimination/index.html
I have posted this story before.
anyone who thinks that the caucasian man does not have a handicap on the government job scene has spent too much time on campus and not enough time in the real world
Heh, heh. Most who do generally live in Alberta.
This should brighten your day Bro:
Conservative Caucus
http://www.edfast.ca/photo_main/OfficialConservativeCaucusPhoto600X450.jpg
Young Conservative Caucus
http://www.robmoore.ca/ycc.jpg
Bowlcut
05-10-2009, 02:09 PM
On all my applications they want to know if I am female, visible minority, or an indian.
Being neither I am put into a pool of 1000 applicants when ticking of the status indian box would give me an interview.
Durk, guineas are practically africans anyways so use that affirmative action to your advantage.
waderow
05-10-2009, 02:15 PM
Heh, heh. Most who do generally live in Alberta.
This should brighten your day Bro:
Conservative Caucus
http://www.edfast.ca/photo_main/OfficialConservativeCaucusPhoto600X450.jpg
Young Conservative Caucus
http://www.robmoore.ca/ycc.jpg
PC caucus is different from what Durk is talking about.
But since were talking MP's here..... here is my ****wad MP... didnt spot him in your pic... He got his nomination by bringing in foreigners to help vote on his nomination. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/09/15/elxn-sherwood.html
although I do sooo want to bang those two chicks
the last election I voted Independent.
GYMBRAT
05-10-2009, 02:20 PM
Patch is still slow here bro but guessing it'll pickup soon after freeze-up ;) then I'll look ya up Durk if need be!
PC caucus is different from what Durk is talking about.
My point is that policy is developed at the upper levels of gov't. From my examination of the photos, the current sitting government is made up of Caucasians. If you don't like current policy then who do you blame? Those who create it, or those who policy is directed at?
It seems quite evident to me that Caucasians still have a pretty strong grip on power and policy creation in this country, and their divide and conquer strategy keeps the finger of blame pointed in the wrong direction.
buildinthaskinnys
05-10-2009, 07:48 PM
Universities want international students b/c they pay far more tuition than Canadian citizens. Economics my friend.
As for job hiring inequality, look to nepotism as a primary factor, not so-called affirmative action. I've worked in both government and private sectors and there has been without question, far more Caucasians than token minorities. Frankly, I don't care what ethnicity people are, as long as they're competent.
Thats because they use services that the government here provides and dont pay taxes *COUGH*
My point is that policy is developed at the upper levels of gov't. From my examination of the photos, the current sitting government is made up of Caucasians. If you don't like current policy then who do you blame? Those who create it, or those who policy is directed at?
It seems quite evident to me that Caucasians still have a pretty strong grip on power and policy creation in this country, and their divide and conquer strategy keeps the finger of blame pointed in the wrong direction.
Most of that policy was created by Liberal governments.
Patch is still slow here bro but guessing it'll pickup soon after freeze-up ;) then I'll look ya up Durk if need be!
Thanks bro
Thats because they use services that the government here provides and dont pay taxes *COUGH*
Yeah right. They pay higher tuition fees to a university, then the university transfers a portion of those funds back to fed and provincial gov'ts, to be distributed among a host of social services. Give yer head a shake.
Also, they don't buy any shit at all so they don't pay sales tax, nor do they work, or if they do, they work tax free. Give yer head a shake.
Most of that policy was created by Liberal governments.
The Employment Equity Act was passed in 1986 by the Mulroney gov't. Last I remember they were conservatives.
I find it interesting that so many of you want hard scientific facts, and nothing but facts, when it comes to gear usage, but when it come to many other topics, emotional response, speculation, and conjecture are completely acceptable.
HoliTheCat
05-10-2009, 09:48 PM
I find it interesting that so many of you want hard scientific facts, and nothing but facts, when it comes to gear usage, but when it come to many other topics, emotional response, speculation, and conjecture are completely acceptable.
Good post.
waderow
06-10-2009, 01:16 AM
there is no statistics on reverse racism, because you can't talk about it without being labeled. As you have labeled me.
About the tuitions? Refugees pay no tuition.
Employment Equity Act has grown into a monster, especially after the Liberals brought over millions of people to benefit from the act.
buildinthaskinnys
06-10-2009, 04:20 AM
Yeah right. They pay higher tuition fees to a university, then the university transfers a portion of those funds back to fed and provincial gov'ts, to be distributed among a host of social services. Give yer head a shake.
Also, they don't buy any shit at all so they don't pay sales tax, nor do they work, or if they do, they work tax free. Give yer head a shake.
Why dont you shake "YER" head, You just contridicted yourself right there.
Hey you seem to have an opinion or *ahem* "Deep insight" on everything there is so feel free and share some more wisdom with us,
as we are all in dire need of being put into perspective oh gran erudite of knowledge!
I beggeth of you! let more doctrine spew forth from your fountain of cognition!.
there is no statistics on reverse racism, because you can't talk about it without being labeled. As you have labeled me. About the tuitions? Refugees pay no tuition. Employment Equity Act has grown into a monster, especially after the Liberals brought over millions of people to benefit from the act.
Dude, I don't know what label I attached to you, but that wasn't my intent.
In regard to tuition, refugees pay it like anyone else. Provinces have differing policies in regard to whether they pay international or domestic fees. Legislation was passed in 2003 to allow refugees access to student loans in order to pay said fees.
Why dont you shake "YER" head, You just contridicted yourself right there. Hey you seem to have an opinion or *ahem* "Deep insight" on everything there is so feel free and share some more wisdom with us, as we are all in dire need of being put into perspective oh gran erudite of knowledge! I beggeth of you! let more doctrine spew forth from your fountain of cognition!.
Not sure where you're coming from with this 'assertion'. I comment on things I have factual knowledge about. Do you ever see me comment about PCT? I don't have a large amount of experience with it so I don't. In the current off topic main page I have comments in seven threads, half of which are not related to any factual matters.
As for my supposed contradiction, you made a completely inaccurate statement as though it were truth, and I mocked you for it. Where's the contradiction?
RagingRandy
06-10-2009, 09:23 AM
The Employment Equity Act was passed in 1986 by the Mulroney gov't. Last I remember they were conservatives.
I believe it was in 1995 when the liberals were in power. See link....
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/e-5.401/text.html
waderow
06-10-2009, 09:25 AM
Dude, I don't know what label I attached to you, but that wasn't my intent.
In regard to tuition, refugees pay it like anyone else. Provinces have differing policies in regard to whether they pay international or domestic fees. Legislation was passed in 2003 to allow refugees access to student loans in order to pay said fees.
I have had a long discussion with an Iranian refugee, whose life was apparently in danger for believing in a different book than the government. He and his family came to Canada, and the government PAID IN FULL his university tuition, and supported his family while he attended. Then after his commerce degree, he was still given benefits. He was "sooo thankful to be in Canada" he told me. "What a wonderful place" he said.
no shit. I could use some of that.
RagingRandy
06-10-2009, 09:31 AM
there is no statistics on reverse racism, because you can't talk about it without being labeled.
As there are no stats on domestic violence where the male is the victim. There are things people do not want to talk about. There is a commercial on TV now that comments that we should teach boys to respect women. Why does this need to be so narrow? What not create commercials saying we should respect all people?
The idea that we need to give preferential treatment to groups or individuals to play catch-up or right wrongs is in itself discriminatory.
I believe it was in 1995 when the liberals were in power. See link....http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/e-5.401/text.html
First Act was 1986 and covered federally regulated employees in the private sector and Crown Corporations with 100 or more employees. It was amended in 1995 to include the federal public service.
I have had a long discussion with an Iranian refugee, whose life was apparently in danger for believing in a different book than the government. He and his family came to Canada, and the government PAID IN FULL his university tuition, and supported his family while he attended. Then after his commerce degree, he was still given benefits. He was "sooo thankful to be in Canada" he told me. "What a wonderful place" he said. no shit. I could use some of that.
I don't doubt you Bro, but that is not the norm. Being given such benefits is not standard protocol. Might be something more to the story that he held back, or not.
buildinthaskinnys
06-10-2009, 11:25 AM
Pdh...............You make my brain sob.
Bowlcut
06-10-2009, 12:13 PM
How about companies should be able to hire who ever they want?
If an employer wants to only hire white people and is willing to pay above market wages they will lose a competitive advantage that a non racist employer could exploit.
natenator
06-10-2009, 01:02 PM
Pdh...............You make my brain sob.
that's what happens when you don't have the intelligence to comprehend anything other than continually crying foul for the poo white man.
In the grand scheme of things.. we're doing a-ok!
Stop whining about what others get and worry about your own life. You'll get a lot farther in life this way.
waderow
06-10-2009, 01:49 PM
In the grand scheme of things.. we're doing a-ok!
then you must be intelligent enough to see that if things keep going the way they are, in our lifetimes we will not be so "a-ok"?
What about our children and grand children?
That is why this is discussed, as it is time for change and empowering our race a little more then it has been in the past 20 years
me.... I am doing a-ok. I want my kids and grand kids to have that same feeling
buildinthaskinnys
06-10-2009, 02:41 PM
that's what happens when you don't have the intelligence to comprehend anything other than continually crying foul for the poo white man.
In the grand scheme of things.. we're doing a-ok!
Stop whining about what others get and worry about your own life. You'll get a lot farther in life this way.
What the **** are you even talking about?
crying for the poo white man? where the hell did I do that?
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