Oral cycle

[mooseman]

Hey folks

Just wondering what i could expect from an oral cycle of clen and winny and what dosages to use..also if you were to stack with one other roid what u would use?? I want to get rid of some body fat and increase my strength,,any input would be greatly appreciated and i am interested in a oral only cycle...

thanks

[C-money]

Im not a fan of oral cycles... Oral only was my first cycle.. im not gonna lie, yes you will get some gains.. if i was to do oral only... go the anavar route if youre looking to increase strength and lose abit of bf... diet is still more important.. make sure thats in check

[faller]

Welcome to the board. :fwave

[PdH]

Agree with C-money, though I would also consider tbol if obtaining var was a problem.

Yes, welcome to CBB :)

[GYMBRAT]

I'd ditch the oral only idea imo, "Clen" and clean up your diet and move on ;)

and welcome to CBB

[gicantor]

Not a fan of winny. I would go Tbol or Var. And I would definitly not stack two orals.

[theboss]

oral only is not that great as everyone as said....and I agree with gicantors suggested Tbol or Var....however, I really did like Winny and will continue to use it.

[GYMBRAT]

I love winny! it is useful in an "on season" cycle, though to see the actual true effects of it one needs to be very low in bf%...as in pre-contest condition ;)

[theboss]

i wouldnt say my body fat is super low......but i def. still liked what it did when used at the end of a TNT cycle....nice and hard..and some new veins popped out.

[bigtavi8]

Once you get past the stigma and bullshit associated with injecting T you will be happier than you ever imagined. Its cheaper than a shit load of var, easier on the liver, less often dosages, and much better mass gains. But i cant say i dont no whats its like to be enitced by oral cycles. Sounds so easy. But im geussing after this go no matter what oral you take your going to be disappointed and hoping for more. That sed start at 30mg var ED. assess your tolerance to it and how you react. you no about the clen taper like P explained. Use it. and enjoy.

[gicantor]

^^^ TNT everything a growing boy needs. I can't wait to hop on some tren again.

[theboss]

^^^ TNT everything a growing boy needs. I can't wait to hop on some tren again.

and to think i might stray to Test/EQ.........or Test/Deca.......
maybe it should be TNT/EquiTest/Winny........

[GYMBRAT]

i wouldnt say my body fat is super low......but i def. still liked what it did when used at the end of a TNT cycle....nice and hard..and some new veins popped out.

oh yeah for sure bro, was just saying how well it works at a 5-7% bf, it's insane! Yet to use TNT but looking into it for the near future :)

[mooseman]

wow thanks for all the info.. i have a problem with needles,,,wimpy for one lol and i work in a week on week off situation where i think needles and vials would be harder to take to work as its fly in and subject to occasional search..

i realise orals are not to good for ya but wanted to know what the options are,,is there a steroid that you can inject maybe weekly,, i am doubting that one but thought i would ask...also can somoen tell me more about halo..

thanks again appreciate the info

[theboss]

is there a steroid that you can inject maybe weekly,, i am doubting that one but thought i would ask...also can somoen tell me more about halo..


Test E and many others...but since you are new to gear thats all you need to get going and once a week is totally possible.

Halo is only to be used precontest or for powerlifting....VERY strong.

[gicantor]

wow thanks for all the info.. i have a problem with needles,,,wimpy for one lol and i work in a week on week off situation where i think needles and vials would be harder to take to work as its fly in and subject to occasional search..

i realise orals are not to good for ya but wanted to know what the options are,,is there a steroid that you can inject maybe weekly,, i am doubting that one but thought i would ask...also can somoen tell me more about halo..

thanks again appreciate the info

Yes you could do Test Cyp only, or Test Cyp/EQ once a week. Is it optimal, no. Doable hell yes. You'll be much happier.

[gicantor]

and to think i might stray to Test/EQ.........or Test/Deca.......
maybe it should be TNT/EquiTest/Winny........

I think my next one is gonna be test/eq. Tren is a bad idea while on accutane.

[GYMBRAT]

X2 on theboss......do some more studying imo

Halotestin (Halo) it is an oral steroid which is derived from methyltestosterone. It's mostly used to obtain strength and a harder look to ALREADY LEAN MUSCLES. Halo toxicity is very high as well.

[mooseman]

heres a few more questions for u,,what about test prop,,and winstrol oral,,and clen...together

and whats TNT exactly,,sorry for my lack of knowledge but i lead a sheltered life,,

a bit about my self..38yrs old,,210 lbs should be about 190 ish, not sure my percentage of bfat but will know this week hopefully on that one,,i wanna lose some bf, gain strength and become more defined i guess u could say,,endurance would be nice as well thats why i asked a bout halo,,what does that do,, make u more intense in your work outs,,more power etc which i would like but what else does it do or not do:fback

[GYMBRAT]

by no means trying to be a dick but I would recommend doing some more reading/studying if I were you before you start juicing. Also a strict diet and cardio routine will do exactly what your looking for for the moment. Then I'd say to maybe jump into the dark side ;)

...you have to remember that the first cycle will be the most effective cycle if done properly, that's why I say look more into learning it :)

..good luck

[gicantor]

-TNT test and tren mix

-A prop/winny/clen cycle would be fine but you'll have to shoot EOD which you said you can't do.


-Stay away from halo period no good for newbie IMO.

X2 GYmbrat read steroid profiles here
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44

[mooseman]

thanks again gents,,i know cardio and diet will help immensly but just want an extra boost as well maybe get some better results than diet and cardio alone..i notice this is a friendly site,,much better than isteroids,,glad i found it and look forward to chatting with u again

[MMASTAR]

If doing oral only what about 100mg a day of primo?? any thoughts??

[gicantor]

thanks again gents,,i know cardio and diet will help immensly but just want an extra boost as well maybe get some better results than diet and cardio alone..i notice this is a friendly site,,much better than isteroids,,glad i found it and look forward to chatting with u again

It's a tight community here. And its the BEST site

[rob66679]

-TNT test and tren mix

-A prop/winny/clen cycle would be fine but you'll have to shoot EOD which you said you can't do.


-Stay away from halo period no good for newbie IMO.

X2 GYmbrat read steroid profiles here
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44

IMO tnt is overkill and somewhat dangerous for a first cycle.
IMO the OP should do a lot more research before starting, I know the first thing I thought was orals only too. But then I researched and found out most of what you gain you'll lose when you come off. And its hard as **** on your body too.

I'm about 13 weeks into my first cycle, Test E only , and its been great. Not really any serious nut shrinkage, bench is up about 75lbs on reps, weight is up about 20-25 lbs. Only really shitty side is a bit of acne, but its not that serious.

I would def recommend Test E or C alone for a first cycle.

Injecting doesn't really hurt, it just ****s with your head a bit lol.

[_Ragnar_]

Who said anything about tnt for a first cycle. Op asked what it was, he was just telling him. I agree OP needs to do alot more research!

[rob66679]

Nobody recommended it for a first cycle yet..... yet.... lol. I've seen it on here before though.
Everybody started talking about it, OP got interested, but nobody bothered to mention its pretty hard core for a 1st cycle.
Just making sure OP puts Tren on the list with Halo/Orals only of things not to use first cycle...

[tex]

test enth. prefill syringes to take with you. quick, easy and you'll thank us later.

winny - good for precontest, bad for joints, really bad for cholesterol

halo - ****ing amazing for powerlifting and strongman but only the last few weeks leading up to a meet. liver toxic....but not more-so than drol i'd say.....well mg to mg its stronger.....but not something you should even touch.....

tren- and on the 8th day God created tren...and it was good...not for 1st timers

[tex]

If doing oral only what about 100mg a day of primo?? any thoughts?? no. :)

[theboss]

no. :)

bwahahahah! :moon

[L3]

tren- and on the 8th day God created tren

and on the 12th day, L3 dropped the ace... since he couldnt handle the psychopathic thoughts and violent sexual dreams

[mooseman]

so what can one expect from anavar and test prop...:tu

[L3]

so what can one expect from anavar and test prop...:tu

if diet and training and good... great results

[PdH]

so what can one expect from anavar and test prop...:tu

Good times. :)


If you' re doing a cutting cycle and your training and diet are on you can expect to get stronger and leaner. They're not magic potions, diet and training determine your results.

[mooseman]

cool, so what would u suggest for training,,in regards to cardio and weights,,frequency and duration..so whats my chances of like i say am at 210 and would say that i could lose 20lbs of extra lard and gaining some decent strength out of it in one cycle?? any more thoughts that would be helpful?

thanks again everyone for ur input and help here...:popc

[mooseman]

also does one need an anti estrogen with anavar

[theboss]

drop the extra fat BEFORE the cycle and it will be that much better.

[bigtavi8]

No anti e like adex or aromasin needed. PCT should be basic nolva 40 40 20 20. Estrogen conversion with var is minimal and wont be an issue.

[PdH]

You can find a good diet here: http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4487&highlight=famous+palumbo Follow the one for a 200 lb man.

As for cardio, 45 - 60 minutes every morning before eating.

As for weight training, far too many effective variations to really comment. Research the training forum and try different methods out until you find what works best for you.

Good luck Bro. :)

[mooseman]

Thanks again gents...

[tex]

i wouldnt try to run keto out in the bush.....you might go mental and try to hump a bear or something.....wouldnt be pretty ;)

[grader]

IMO: **** oral only cycles if you cant inject your your not ready to take gear. sure throw some oral gear into the mix but only while using the staple of all cycles..TESTOSTERONE

[tex]

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