I'm not losing weight. Should I add T3?

[kloan]

It's been 10 days into keto and I haven't lost a single 1lb. You'd think I'd at least lose some water weight... but nadda.

Would adding T3 help kickstart things? I have a feeling my thyroid is low anyway, so it'd be a good thing to do I think, as long as I stick to the plan and remain consistent with dosing and timing.

Suggestions?

FWIW, I can't do the ephedrine/caffeine thing... I get too much anxiety and adrenal fatigue.

[baza]

I wouldn't.
I'd get your thyroid checked.
I added t3 when I plateaued, and it didn't do anything for me really.

[cheesesteak]

10 days and no weight at all? I dropped 2lbs over night. I'd get that thyroid checked out.

[kloan]

Can't do it.. I'm in the US without health insurance. It's all a crapshoot til I move back to Canada.

There is a chance my weight stayed the same because of the Epistane I was running. Perhaps it maintained my LBM as I lost fat and kept the scale the same.

I ditched the remaining Epi today so I guess I'll give it another week to see if I start dropping weight. I have seen some slight improvements in some areas...

[nisser]

Fix your diet first :P

[Iwant2Grow]

Have you used Keto Strips to check if your in KEto for sure?

[Praetorian]

Your diet and cardio is the problem not your thyroid I bet. You can get blood work done Free T3, Free T4, TSH, antibodies to check for sure but I would wager yoru diet is the culrpit. Also ketostix will not help as they are not accurate on people who are training.
Post your diet and cardio.
P

[z83]

T3 with or without testosterone ?

[AlbertaBeef]

I wouldn't run T3 without test especially while dieting.

I would try upping the cardio and maybe add a few minutes of HIIT even though it's not recommended on a keto diet.

I ended up forgeting about the scale when I was on the Palumbo diet and just went on how I looked and what others said, also how my clothes fitted.

P is right about the keto sticks, your body uses the keytone for energy so if your not pissing them out you're using them.

[kloan]

2 eggs, 1 chicken sausage, 1/4 cup almonds

2 scoops whey , 1tbps peanut butter

Chicken breast, 1/4 cup almonds

2 scoops whey, 1tbsp olive oil

Chicken breast/Steak/Buffalo burger patty/fish filet, green salad w/ 2tbsp olive oil

2 scoops whey , 1tbps peanut butter or almond butter

(some days I skip 1 shake or 1 meal)


Cardio is 45 mins after workouts, EOD, 120-130bpm

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[hyperlite32]

dont add in actual T3, but go to the health food store and get a supp to "support proper thyriod function" if you think T3 is your problem. do the diet changes too...

[kloan]

I've actually got a herbal thyroid support tincture.. I'll start taking it again. (fwiw, I took my temp 3 days in a row, each time it was lower than avg).

What diet changes are you referring to?

I think I am losing weight.. I'm going to avoid the scale for now and rely on what I see in the mirror.

[Praetorian]

2 eggs, 1 chicken sausage, 1/4 cup almonds


2 scoops whey , 1tbps peanut butter

Chicken breast, 1/4 cup almonds

2 scoops whey, 1tbsp olive oil

Chicken breast/Steak/Buffalo burger patty/fish filet, green salad w/ 2tbsp olive oil

2 scoops whey , 1tbps peanut butter or almond butter

(some days I skip 1 shake or 1 meal)


Cardio is 45 mins after workouts, EOD, 120-130bpm

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Much too low calories, protein.

You should have 4 whole eggs plus 6 whites for meal 1
Chicken breast should be 7 oz weighed after cooking, almonds 1/3 cup
Steak should be 8 oz after cooking (dont use chicken in this meal you need the fat)
Shakes should be 45g whey plus 1.5 Tbsp natty PB
NEVER skip meals...6 per day...eat every 3 hours
Cardio 45mins best before breakfast EVERYDAY...post workout is second best...45mins is a good START...increase at least 10 min every week or two depending on fat loss
Cheat meal once per week...substitute for meal 6.

P

[kloan]

Much too low calories, protein.

You should have 4 whole eggs plus 6 whites for meal 1
Chicken breast should be 7 oz weighed after cooking, almonds 1/3 cup
Steak should be 8 oz after cooking (dont use chicken in this meal you need the fat)
Shakes should be 45g whey plus 1.5 Tbsp natty PB
NEVER skip meals...6 per day...eat every 3 hours
Cardio 45mins best before breakfast EVERYDAY...post workout is second best...45mins is a good START...increase at least 10 min every week or two depending on fat loss
Cheat meal once per week...substitute for meal 6.

P
Thanks for the post, P.

Just want to be sure, even for a 5'7" 170lb guy the calories/protein is too low?

For meal 1, the reason I have the chicken sausage is because it's the equivalent to the egg whites in protein. I can't stomach more than a couple whole eggs. That meal works out to (P/C/F) 35/4/20. Is that not enough?

My shakes are 48g of protein, and I usually add a heaping tbsp so that should work out to around 1.5, I'll be more accurate with my measurements though to be sure they're 1.5Tbsp.

Chicken, I'll need to get a food scale.. but I'm pretty sure they're around 7-8oz. I'll up my almonds to 1/3 cup.

For the fatty protein meal, I don't always have steak/beef on hand to get the fats from meat, so I use 2Tbsp of olive oil as a substitute. Is that not ok?

I won't skip any more meals (it's always the last 'meal' when I do, but I'll stop).

Annnnnnd....... cardio...... my arch nemesis........ alright, I'll start doing it everyday.:o

Cardio will be much easier to do when I get my LCD tv installed on the wall.. I'm mounting it in front of my treadmill so I can watch TV while I'm on there. It gets so boring just walking with nuthin to distract me.. I usually get caught up in my thoughts, which isn't fun. :)

[Sean Summers]

Could you work out the stats for each meal? And, also work out your daily totals.
Thanks!
SS

[kloan]

Sure.. though it'll be approx.. without a food scale, and meals do vary slightly.

Meal 1 (eggs, saus, almonds) 35/4/20 = 336 cals
Meal 2 (2 scoops, 1.5tbsp pb) 54/4.5/12 = 342 cals
Meal 3 (chicken, almonds) 40/6/16 = 328 cals
Meal 4 (2 scoops, 1.5tbsp pb) 54/4.5/12 = 342 cals
Meal 5 (fish/beef, green salad) 40/5/32 = 468 cals
Meal 6 (2 scoops, 1.5tbsp pb) 54/4.5/12 = 342 cals

2158 calories total

See, to me that seems like too many calories. What if I'm consuming more protein than my body can use, isn't that going to be turned into glucose?

[Talo]

A good way to check and see if your thyroid is ****ed ( without going to the dr. ) is to take your morning temp for about 3-5 days in a row. Do this before you do anything at all. Wake up , roll over and put the thermometer in your mouth under your tong. If your temp is low then your thyroid could be messed up. A good way to get it back into check is to over eat . Eat well over maintaince for a month or two. I know your on keto so you must want to lose weight , but it's better to get this straight before you continue on with the keto.

Just my 2cents

[kloan]

yup, did that.. it was ~97 avg

[Sean Summers]

Ok, so your totals are (assuming your numbers are correct):
Pro - 277 g = 1108 cals - 51.3%
Carbs - 28.5 g = 114 cals - 5.2%
Fat - 109 g = 939 cals - 43.5%

What I would do is drop protein a bit, increase fats. Drop some of the PB (this will help drop carbs) and replace with Mac Nut Oil, EVOL, etc...
You MUST weight/measure your food - you can't eyeball it - this is ridiculous - you have to know!
Keep us posted!
SS

[kloan]

Yeah, I've been trying to find a food scale. My mom has a brand new one stored away that I've been trying to dig up.. haven't found it yet.

I was asking about my whey protein intake in another thread, and everyone said don't drop the amount. I was thinking I could reduce the whey amount, since food source is always a better source.

I'm gonna get some walnut oil (mac. oil is too expensive for me), and I guess I can use olive oil in my shakes too. Maybe I'll have 1tbsp of each, PB/w. oil/o. oil....

How much protein would you suggest dropping? If I have a ballpark amount, I can figure out what I need to lower...

[Talo]

It's very hard to tell you what to do exactly.

Some people do well on at 60% / 40% ( fat / protein ) intake , while others like to keep it 50/50 and some do the 40% / 60% ( fat / protein ). Some can take in 50g of carbs or more and some do not so well on more than 20g . You basically have to play around with it and give it time to react with your body . And giving it time is not 1 week , it's usually longer to see how it effects you.

If your very worried about the thyroid go to the dr . even though your in the U.S. you might have to eat the bill.

[kloan]

I just found a very informative site that answered my questions perfectly. It has a calculator that simplified things for me and showed me I am indeed consuming too much protein.

Here's the site:
http://www.phlaunt.com/lowcarb/19058429.php

And here's the calculator:
http://www.phlaunt.com/lowcarb/DietMakeupCalc.php

This is my result with the calculator:


TO LOSE WEIGHT:

To lose a pound a week safely decrease your daily intake to 2,101 calories.

You have decided to eat 30 grams of carbohydrate a day. To avoid loss of lean muscle mass you must eat 179 grams of high quality protein each day. This can be found in 29.9 ounces of meat, eggs, or hard cheese.

Round out your diet with 140 grams of fat.

So, SS looks like you were right with suggesting I lower my protein and up my fats. I will lower it by using 1.5 scoops of whey instead of 2. That's approx 36 grams. I probably over estimated the amounts in the 2 later meals in the day, so that should bring to the right amount. I'll up my fats with sources low in protein/carbs.

I'll give it a couple weeks and see how it goes. And as far as my thyroid goes, I'm gonna disregard that for now. I'm more focused on the weight loss.

[Sean Summers]

According to Lyle McDonald's book "The Ketogenic Diet" (the bible for low carb'ers) you need your fat macros to be around 70% if I remember correctly. I'm pretty sure that's where I had it set years ago.
SS

[Sean Summers]

You can pick up a scale at the grocery store (we recommend Superstore in Ontario). They have digital or analog (cheaper). We like the digital - if you have the money then you could go to Staples or Costco and pick up a digital postal scale.
SS

[kloan]

Upped my cardio to 1hr, lowered protein and upped fats... Still no change.

Temp is consistently ~97 (and one morning was 96.4). Pretty ****ing annoying I must say.... I've been eating this goddamn boring food for over 3 weeks and nadda. Bring on the Var/Tren baby!

[MikeyFXD35]

If you must use something better to cycle clen as it targets the fat not the muscle

[kloan]

Is clen ok to use early on in a cycle or will it interfere with anything?