I love Dbol...

[CanadianIron]

I shit you not, i'm 8lbs heavier than I was this time last week... given some of that is food going through my digestive system, but wow.

I absolutely LOVE this stuff, i was putting 315 right to my chest yesterday and putting it right back up for reps, i've never done it so easily before.

That is all. :bch

[GYMBRAT]

90% H2O :)

[theboss]

90% H2O :)

true dat.

[Kronis]

I also love dbol. It's like viagra for your muscles.

[gicantor]

dbol is fun for instant size. people look at you funny when you gain weight that fast. But it's a mind**** when you come off and lose 75% of it.

[kloan]

stretch marks are fun

[lambchops]

ive only used dbol once for a short period of time( so far) and i loved it. crazy strength gains in very short period of time.

[rated_rko]

dbol is sick but yeah...its used for kick in..till ur solidfying stuff kicks in :)

[gustavo77]

I also love dbol. It's like viagra for your muscles.

Haha...nice one and agreed..

[CanadianIron]

I started having back pumps for the first time today during my leg routine, however I was able to squat 365 like it was nothing, my strength 1 week in on this cycle has me WAY past any strength level I've ever had before. People have accused me of being on the juice 3 times in the last week... its rediculous.

I agree with the water gains, regardless my last test only cycle it took 6 weeks to have the power and size i've taken on in the last week, so im hoping to solidify a lot of these gains over the next 11-15 weeks. I want to go for 16 weeks, but ill re examine that in a few weeks and see how the acne comes on.

[MikeyFXD35]

I lost 6lbs in one week after I stopped taking it. But still good shit

[mooseman]

wow dbol sounds awesome,,,is it an ED injection or what,,is there such thing as an oral dbol and what is the dosage,,ad is an anti estrogen needed for this...one other thing do you lose bf when using this??

Thanks much

[theboss]

wow dbol sounds awesome,,,is it an ED injection or what,,is there such thing as an oral dbol and what is the dosage,,ad is an anti estrogen needed for this...one other thing do you lose bf when using this??

Thanks much

dbol is almost always oral.

[INked]

I also love dbol. It's like viagra for your muscles.:)

[gustavo77]

wow dbol sounds awesome,,,is it an ED injection or what,,is there such thing as an oral dbol and what is the dosage,,ad is an anti estrogen needed for this...one other thing do you lose bf when using this??

Thanks much

I suggest you do some reading...

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6110

[rob66679]

wow dbol sounds awesome,,,is it an ED injection or what,,is there such thing as an oral dbol and what is the dosage,,ad is an anti estrogen needed for this...one other thing do you lose bf when using this??

Thanks much

You should have an anti-E on hand always, because if gyno starts you don't have time to **** around and try to find some.
You likely have not looked into PCT yet either....

Oral only isn't worth it IMO.... I know thats not what you want to hear, but thats the honest truth.... I researched for months before I took anything.

IMO the whole aas thing is like going to a camp job.... Its not how much you make, its what you manage to take home with you..... Thats what its all about.... aas is all about what gains you will have 2 months after pct..... Some guys go to Ft. Mac make 200k a year and come home broke.... Some guys take a ton of aas and lose everything when they stop...

[scubadiver]

What he said... you lose just as much as you gained when you get off.

[CanadianIron]

What he said... you lose just as much as you gained when you get off.

... if you have no idea what you're doing.

If your statement were true, no one would take Dbol.

[tiramisu]

I dread the back pumps from dbol. Lieing on the gym floor with my legs in the air sucks.
tbol is a little better but I still have to keep my dosage down on squat day.

[Mad-Bull]

... if you have no idea what you're doing.

If your statement were true, no one would take Dbol.

No I think they would and in fact they do. People use it as a kick started (as you are) for there cycle. I honestly think the effects from it our temporary and creates and ease in the transition from dbol to test because by the time you stop, the Test is now full blown. Wait and see, you'll notice for probably a week after you stop the d bol your weight will stay the same or may even drop slightly due to the drop in water retention. This is my opinion obviously and the stuff is great for temporary strength and gains, and to make the start of the cycle fun, I'd take prop over it any day to kick start.

[CanadianIron]

If the gains made with Dbol are used to kickstart a cycle, then they're completely maintainable. To suggest that all gains are always lost would suggest that you'd lose all your gains and go back to zero after a test/dbol cycle.

His statement might be true if you were to run a Dbol only cycle, but when used properly the intention is to keep most of your gains.

[theboss]

If the gains made with Dbol are used to kickstart a cycle, then they're completely maintainable. To suggest that all gains are always lost would suggest that you'd lose all your gains and go back to zero after a test/dbol cycle.

His statement might be true if you were to run a Dbol only cycle, but when used properly the intention is to keep most of your gains.


if you dont think you lose most gains from using dbol you need to do more research.........or tell us all what we are doing wrong!

[CanadianIron]

If you're saying that all the gains your make from Dbol are gone a few months after your cycle, you're saying that your cycle was a complete waste of time.

If the Dbol increases the gains from a test cycle at all, then the gains are from the Dbol... if what you guys are saying is true, a test only cycle would be better than a dbol test cycle.

[hyperlite32]

I have to agree with you ^^^ on that!

[rob66679]

If you're saying that all the gains your make from Dbol are gone a few months after your cycle, you're saying that your cycle was a complete waste of time.

If the Dbol increases the gains from a test cycle at all, then the gains are from the Dbol... if what you guys are saying is true, a test only cycle would be better than a dbol test cycle.

I have not read anywhere that adding dbol to the test does anything long term.... just kinda tides you over till the test kicks in.... Its not that the cycle is a waste of time, its that the dbol is in terms of maintainable gains when off cycle, if thats your goal.... I'm on my first cycle, and after doing some research and asking the vets on here, my dbol is still unopened....

The more I read, and see on here, next cycle I still might not use it, probably add some eq or deca, maybe primo...... if anything... 500 test e/week is a damm good kick compared to natty lol.

[CanadianIron]

That doesnt make any sense.

No one would take a compound for the first 4 weeks purely for superficial gains.

The gains made in the first 4 weeks are solidified during the test. portion of your cycle. No one would use Dbol if it did nothing. Period.

I've already put on 13lbs in 2.5 weeks. By the time I hit my 5 week mark and my test cyp kicks in, i will probably 20lbs further along than I was last cycle (test only), 7 weeks of test will give my body an ample amount of time to solidify the Dbol muscle and I should even be able to add more...

You should rethink opening that bottle of Dbol.

[L3]

^^ yes in theory on paper... but real life is just a tad different

why aren't we all running Proviron 365 days a year? its like the best freakign drug ever on paper... but in reality only gives you about 10% of what you would expect

[bongd]

^^ yes in theory on paper... but real life is just a tad different

why aren't we all running Proviron 365 days a year? its like the best freakign drug ever on paper... but in reality only gives you about 10% of what you would expect

Didn't read the entire thread but caught this conversation. This is completely true. While scientific research is highly valued, it's not the be all end all. We don't live in a world full of test tubes, beakers and lab coats.

Sometimes the real world is a lot different than what we make of it when looking through the microscope. We need to stand back and look at the grand scheme of things as well.

[CanadianIron]

Well, ill let you know how many pounds I've kept from my cycle in 6 months!

[daande]

wow dbol sounds awesome,,,is it an ED injection or what,,is there such thing as an oral dbol and what is the dosage,,ad is an anti estrogen needed for this...one other thing do you lose bf when using this??

Thanks much

Equipose is like injectable DBol. However, it works differently.

[tiramisu]

While dbol certainly causes water retention it is an extremely effective aas and puts on meat too.

If not for the lower back pumps I'd probably be eating it like tic tacs.

[CanadianIron]

Swear to god... right now im hunched over at the computer eating a banana... the back pumps are annoying back I dont notice too bad unless im sitting/standing around. Once I start moving around im good.

[Redz]

I have used dbol twice at 40mg daily and never got back pumps.

[GYMBRAT]

While dbol certainly causes water retention it is an extremely effective aas and puts on meat too.

If not for the lower back pumps I'd probably be eating it like tic tacs.

I agree, I put on tons of weight when on anywhere from 30-50mgs of dbol for 4-5 wks and I also hold a decent portion (not HUGE) but definitely enough to do dbol again and again and............

[rob66679]

That doesnt make any sense.

No one would take a compound for the first 4 weeks purely for superficial gains.

The gains made in the first 4 weeks are solidified during the test. portion of your cycle. No one would use Dbol if it did nothing. Period.

I've already put on 13lbs in 2.5 weeks. By the time I hit my 5 week mark and my test cyp kicks in, i will probably 20lbs further along than I was last cycle (test only), 7 weeks of test will give my body an ample amount of time to solidify the Dbol muscle and I should even be able to add more...

You should rethink opening that bottle of Dbol.

So your putting on 30 lbs for your second cycle? Interesting... What did you gain the 1st time, and what did you keep?

[Monka]

Equipose is like injectable DBol. However, it works differently.

hehe, how about Retrofit-b i guess thats "like dbol" hehe
I've also seen people on dbol ONLY cycles (if you call it a cycle) and yes i cant think of anyone that can honestly say after cycles over and couple months down road they have there gains, or the real deal muscles. Maybe fat if keep on eating, and also i've seen var only cycles at 50-100mg and seems the higher mgs the more ripped one gets with a dead on diet , but i dont think gain are kept much, food is something better for keeping gains

[bongd]

I have used dbol twice at 40mg daily and never got back pumps.

Some people get it, some don't. And the ones that don't are lucky bastards, ya lucky bastard ;)

I get pumps in my tibialis anterior. My calves get pumped too but the front of my legs get it so bad I can hardly walk to my car lol... at first it's kind of cool to be so pumped, but I assure you that the novelty wears off EXTREMELY quick.

[L3]

somehow the palms of my hands got pumped and i couldnt rest a DB in them to press....bent over BB row, foget about it

[BenT]

I'd say a little downside to dbol is that it will totally mess with your blood lipid profile. Get ready for a nice suprise when you get cholesterol in the 7+ range in your late 20s. Bad news.

Oh... apart from that it's great :)

[greekgod]

Some people get it, some don't. And the ones that don't are lucky bastards, ya lucky bastard ;)

I get pumps in my tibialis anterior. My calves get pumped too but the front of my legs get it so bad I can hardly walk to my car lol... at first it's kind of cool to be so pumped, but I assure you that the novelty wears off EXTREMELY quick.

I don't get back pumps but I certainly can relate to not being able to walk. After walking for 5 minutes, I feel like my calves are going to explode. I love dbol!

[Krozone]

That doesn’t make any sense.

No one would take a compound for the first 4 weeks purely for superficial gains.




Now that doesn't make any sense. There are thousands upon thousands of guys out there that rave about Dbol and the rather instant gains, superficial or not. Those who do, the majority of which loose nearly all of those gains once they cease that cycle. (those gains which I speak of are directly related to the consumption of Dbol.) That; however, does not stop them from running it again and again..

Using it to kick start a Test (or other) cycle is done so "PURELY" for cosmetic/physiological reasons, putting on up to 10LBS in the first 10 days of a cycle surly does instill quite the confidence, it pushes you harder as you see instant gains.

You've personally raved about the impressive Strength increase (You think without that DBol you'd be curling those 70's? ) You've also noted the mass increase.. That said; Vanity my friend is what defines Dbol under this context.

It's a great compound, great/fast gains... But to assume that those gains are real gains is not realistic at all. Sure, some of that can be held on to… I’d say 10% Lean Mass.. Any other weight retained will be as cosmetically pleasing as Lard atop of muscle fibers.

The more experience you have with it, the better you will understand it’s nature.

Hell, I'm as obsessed with Vanity as anyone.. This is just my .02 cents :>
Nuff of this.. Where did I leave that sachel of Dbol.. :> Grin

Kro!

[CanadianIron]

I curled those 70's on the second day of my cycle, i've been curling 70's for weeks.

I could probably post a vid of me curling 80's with the dbol though :)

[Krozone]

Works fast eh? superficial gains...

:>

[Redz]

If I had some dbol these last few weeks I probably would have used it to close out my cycle, I got my bench to 370, I probably could have hit 400 with it. I did my last Test E shot yesterday I am still going for a new max tonight for sure though.

[Tballs]

I curled those 70's on the second day of my cycle, i've been curling 70's for weeks.

I could probably post a vid of me curling 80's with the dbol though :)

stop curling all the time and try doing some base lifts.

[CanadianIron]

"all the time"? I work my bi's once a week. Thats pretty standard.

[ManInTheBox]

I'm partially siding with CI on this one.

I find it ludicrous to accept (as others have stated in this thread) that Dbol produces and end gain of 10%.

This has not been my experience and I'm certain I'm not alone.

First of all, it's not like any of us have participated in (or, frankly, even studied) double-blind placebo-controlled clinical tests. Every claim we make in regards to the efficacy of Dbol or any other compound is wholly and unequivocally subjective; moreover, any observed effects and results should be taken with a grain of salt - including the claim that 90% of Dbol mass is non-maintainable.

The above being said, I have no doubt that the majority of Dbol mass is water - this is a clinical fact. However, i would be a bit more liberal and say that, judging from my own experiences, the number is closer to 25-35% maintainable. I personally do not see a catastrophically significant weight drop that at the end of a cycle that I've kicked with Dbol.

Now of course the above is also subjective, but no more the less appreciable than the claim that Dbol is 90% water gains. Apropos, if 90% of the gains was non-maintainable water, then this should be reflected by a sharp 90% decrease in scale weight post-cycle relevant to the gains made by dbol. I've sure as hell never lost as much as 25-30 lbs post-cycle unless it was due to my own laziness.

I suspect this overly-blown notion that Dbol gains are almost completely water is attributed to archaic, 'brotelligence', rhetoric propegated by the pseudo-intellectual net surfers.

That being said, I wholly agree with krozone that Dbol is a superficial compound - unless the rapid strength gains are somehow imperitive for you to have (doubtful). Hell, thats AAS in general. We are not on juice because it is a 'healthy' lifestyle choice - it's to get jacked, plain and simple.

Of course, the above is just my .2 ccs and I'm not a steroid expert (like anyone really is? lol) ;)

[Tballs]

"all the time"? I work my bi's once a week. Thats pretty standard.

yes it is, but you keep bringing up how much you can curl. good for you, your still skinny

[Danger]

Haha, yeah you see alot of skinny dudes curling 70's....

[kloan]

yes it is, but you keep bringing up how much you can curl. good for you, your still skinny

skinny? he's not skinny.....

[mayhem]

Dbol is alright. I would never use it alone though.

[rob66679]

I'm partially siding with CI on this one.

I find it ludicrous to accept (as others have stated in this thread) that Dbol produces and end gain of 10%.

This has not been my experience and I'm certain I'm not alone.

First of all, it's not like any of us have participated in (or, frankly, even studied) double-blind placebo-controlled clinical tests. Every claim we make in regards to the efficacy of Dbol or any other compound is wholly and unequivocally subjective; moreover, any observed effects and results should be taken with a grain of salt - including the claim that 90% of Dbol mass is non-maintainable.

The above being said, I have no doubt that the majority of Dbol mass is water - this is a clinical fact. However, i would be a bit more liberal and say that, judging from my own experiences, the number is closer to 25-35% maintainable. I personally do not see a catastrophically significant weight drop that at the end of a cycle that I've kicked with Dbol.

Now of course the above is also subjective, but no more the less appreciable than the claim that Dbol is 90% water gains. Apropos, if 90% of the gains was non-maintainable water, then this should be reflected by a sharp 90% decrease in scale weight post-cycle relevant to the gains made by dbol. I've sure as hell never lost as much as 25-30 lbs post-cycle unless it was due to my own laziness.
I suspect this overly-blown notion that Dbol gains are almost completely water is attributed to archaic, 'brotelligence', rhetoric propegated by the pseudo-intellectual net surfers.

That being said, I wholly agree with krozone that Dbol is a superficial compound - unless the rapid strength gains are somehow imperitive for you to have (doubtful). Hell, thats AAS in general. We are not on juice because it is a 'healthy' lifestyle choice - it's to get jacked, plain and simple.

Of course, the above is just my .2 ccs and I'm not a steroid expert (like anyone really is? lol) ;)

Yeah, but have you ever done a stand alone dbol cycle where you gained 25-30 lbs just from the dbol?
If your using it to kick a test cycle in, then how do you know what you gained from the dbol in the end, and exactly how much of the dbol gains you lost?

OP gained 10 lbs from his first cycle.... kept 3...... and that was test.
I guess 4 months from now we'll know how much of a difference it made.

[CanadianIron]

yes it is, but you keep bringing up how much you can curl. good for you, your still skinny

5'10' and 215lbs, HELLA SKINNY!

And outside of the original thread I have NEVER mentioned what I curl... other people bring it up.


...troll.

[CanadianIron]

I have a week left of my Dbol, you guys think my weight will drop when I stop the Dbol and im doing 500mg test/week? ie... should some of the water weight go away?

[rob66679]

I have a week left of my Dbol, you guys think my weight will drop when I stop the Dbol and im doing 500mg test/week? ie... should some of the water weight go away?

Guess were gonna find out lol.
How much weight are you up Total? How much are your lifts up?

Not trying to highjack ya bro, just kinda curious how it all works out in the end for ya compared to your Test only cycle.

[MikeyFXD35]

Yes you will. I was peaking at 200 on Dbol, all my lifts where up and 2 days after I stopped taking it my weight and lifts both dropped and I was still on test and 500/week. First stop I went on vacation for a week and dropped 3 lbs. It came back when I started again but then lost it again after I ran out.

[CanadianIron]

Total weight is up 18lbs. Lifts are all up 20% or more.

Im going til next tuesday so I have a full week left. I expect to keep making gains and Im gonna go nuts trying to keep it well into week 5-6 when the test generally starts to take off.

My total weight gain after 12 weeks last cycle was 15lbs. So im already well beyond that. Ill keep you guys posted in the coming weeks.

[poncho101]

how is equipoise like dbol?

[rob66679]

Total weight is up 18lbs. Lifts are all up 20% or more.

"Im going til next tuesday so I have a full week left. I expect to keep making gains and Im gonna go nuts trying to keep it well into week 5-6 when the test generally starts to take off.

My total weight gain after 12 weeks last cycle was 15lbs. So im already well beyond that. Ill keep you guys posted in the coming weeks.

I never anticipated becoming an endophin junkie and getting as big as I have (for what i was) so I dont have much for pre pics.

The pre pic is from a year before I started working out when I was 20, the one in the jeans is from a year ago, and the last 2 are today.

Im starting a 12 week test/dbol cycle next week and Im hoping to have better results than my last test only cycle. I put on 10lbs last cycle, went from 195>205 but went back down to about 198 2 months after the cycle. My strength is good, but as you can tell im a huge ecto and putting on weight is flippin hard for me.

Start was 5'10" 150lbs 2.5 years ago, current is 200. Wanna hit 210-215 before the year is up."

No ya didn't lol....