Epistane

[#8]

This drug seems to behave similarly to nolvadex.

Anyone have good feedback on this drug for PCT, or just general use on its own?

:sup

[tex]

i got nothing for ya......just a bunch of threads from bb.com with some clowns pretending to be organic chem masters......

[daande]

epistane is a prohormone. Not used for PCT at all...Thats like running anavar during pct. Epistane is potent shit to I put on 8 pounds in 6 weeks running epistane alone.

[gicantor]

epistane was my first love. did two 4 weeks cycles of it and loved every minute of it. nothing but lean mass and zero side effects. but yeah not used for pct it's a prohormone. some people claim to have used it to reduce gyno because of it's "serm" like properties but i think it's all hocus pocus.

[kloan]

on it now, definitely not a pct drug... its touted as the most mild pro hormone available.

cocksuckers fda are busting people selling it so it'll be hard to come by soon.

[bongd]

News Flash: It's a STEROID. Stop saying pro hormone... there are like two pro hormones currently on the market. And now with the bb.com raid, 99% of the remaining PRO HORMONES will be obsolete.

A few smaller online merchants sell them but that's it. No pro hormones. Designer STEROIDS - yes. Big difference. Nevertheless, it should not be used during PCT. It's a nice designer steroid though. I like it better than Anavar and D-Bol. Stock up while you can.

[C-money]

ive tried epi... and it was decent... definate gains.. nothing crazy, but nice lean gains

[kloan]

News Flash: It's a STEROID. Stop saying pro hormone... there are like two pro hormones currently on the market. And now with the bb.com raid, 99% of the remaining PRO HORMONES will be obsolete.

A few smaller online merchants sell them but that's it. No pro hormones. Designer STEROIDS - yes. Big difference. Nevertheless, it should not be used during PCT. It's a nice designer steroid though. I like it better than Anavar and D-Bol. Stock up while you can.

tomato tomatto... whats the difference? its one thing and is converted in the liver into another... steroids are just plain ol hormones, modified or not but they don't go into the liver and convert into another hormone, so i repeat: pro hormone.

is PH not another word for "designer steroid" anyway?

unbunch your panties.

[GYMBRAT]

never bothered to try it, I've always just stuck to the real deal bad ass mofoing STEROIDS!..HAHAAAAA or was it PH's :-p

[bongd]

tomato tomatto... whats the difference? its one thing and is converted in the liver into another... steroids are just plain ol hormones, modified or not but they don't go into the liver and convert into another hormone, so i repeat: pro hormone.

is PH not another word for "designer steroid" anyway?

unbunch your panties.

No. It's a steroid and that is different from a pro hormone. That's why I get touchy about it. You wouldn't compare the likes of cholesterol to a full on anabolic steroid, would you?

[GYMBRAT]

:popc

[bongd]

***Edited for tren rage lol***

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4853/song2bjina2b3.jpg

[C-money]

Havoc/Epistane is a steroid guys.. even in the new Anabolic 2009 Havoc/Epi is classified as a Anabolic/Androgenic steroid

[GYMBRAT]

but really who cares....not I :).....just my thoughts thats all

[kawikaratekid]

They seem pretty cheap but how effective are they? Has anyone used them?

[kloan]

It's all good. If people want to confirm the myth that bodybuilders are retards with shrunken nuts and enormous egos then everyone here can help tarnish the name even further.

My apologies for trying to clear up some misinformation. I guess that's also frowned upon here. Seems like nothing is encouraged but idiocy and flaming. I came to this forum because I heard it wasn't shit... maybe I heard wrong.

Pardon my retarded small balls then, please. My enormous ego prevented me from knowing Epistane did not convert in the liver, hence why it's considered a steroid and not a prohormone.

Friends?

:ilu

[kloan]

They seem pretty cheap but how effective are they? Has anyone used them?

Five people in this thread have already commented on it, including me.

Yes it's cheap, and yes it works. It's mild and effective. I'm actually really liking it, and will probably stock up before it disappears. It's nice to use for a little boost.. once a year or so between cycles. Great to have right now too during my diet.

[kawikaratekid]

Having a tough day? Just wanted some more input that's all... Thanks for the additional input.

[kloan]

Sorry if that sounded snappy.... I am very edgy right now.

[tex]

must be the steeeroids.

[kloan]

must be the steeeroids.

lol.. epi causes as much aggression as a bowl of cheerios

[bongd]

Pardon my retarded small balls then, please. My enormous ego prevented me from knowing Epistane did not convert in the liver, hence why it's considered a steroid and not a prohormone.

Friends?

:ilu
I've been cranky as **** today and shouldn't have had a meltdown. It just struck a nerve. Sorry man.

Time to smoke a joint and spend time with my woman to counteract this tren. I've been off for a year and just started banging back some good dosed androgens (test prop, tren ace and drostan. prop). In any event, Epistane is actually one of the better legal drugs out there right now. I tolerated it very well and for the low sides and low price, I'd say it's nothing to laugh at.

Some people still think these are fake steroids or pro hormones and brush them off. But conventional oral steroids can get old. Lots of the good ones are pretty toxic are convert to potent estrogens so a mildly anti estrogenic steroid like Epistane isn't as bad as people would think.


At the very least, it's better than most stuff out there for the price point. I scooped up a dozen bottles of it for $20 USD when there was a big online sale. Gave it all away to friends though because I can't tolerate orals well.

[kloan]

ah yes tren... i too will know thy self in due time.

anyway, no worries bro i dont hold a grudge... we all have our moments. i agree epistane is probably one of the best orals out there. the fact that its so mild really keeps my doubts at bay (re: sides).. though that could very well be a false sense of security considering its still relatively new, and hasn't gone through tests of any sort to determine potential long term effects.

however, id still like to stock up. $20 is crazy cheap... i wish id seen that sale.

[#8]

sweet. great feedback from you boys.

much appreciated.

:)

[JifeLacket]

anyone care to link some reliable info about this stuff?

ill look around but that'd be great

[daande]

anyone care to link some reliable info about this stuff?

ill look around but that'd be great

Trust me epistane is delicious.

[gicantor]

They seem pretty cheap but how effective are they? Has anyone used them?


sweet. great feedback from you boys.

much appreciated.

:)


anyone care to link some reliable info about this stuff?

ill look around but that'd be great


Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno
Innovators: IBE, RPN, Spectra Force
Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
Dosages: 20-50mg
Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to cause lower back and calf pumps.
Reputation: There has had some spectroscopy and compound identification issues with these products, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run for gynecomastia reduction due to it's SERM-like and anti-aromatase properties. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.



I have used it twice and it was amazing stuff.

[spiderman7]

Epistane works there is no doubt. Superdrol worked well also but to many sides.

[kawikaratekid]

Sorry if that sounded snappy.... I am very edgy right now.

No problem man. We all have those days.

[kawikaratekid]

Thanks for all the info boys! I'll be grabbing a few bottles before this shit's all gone.... Do you think a pct would be necessary after 4-6 weeks?

[kawikaratekid]

Which brand have you guys used?

[Ritch]

Thanks for all the info boys! I'll be grabbing a few bottles before this shit's all gone.... Do you think a pct would be necessary after 4-6 weeks?

Absoluetly. Why chance it?

[#8]

Of the guys on here who have used it....did you take it every day, or did you use the "pulse" method that recommends use on only training days?

[kloan]

I'm using IPE brand... good luck finding it, I couldn't. Seems everyones pulled stock off their sites, or they charging too much. IPE says it's on sale on their site but it's full price when you add it to your cart.

Some guys swear RPN Havoc is better, but that's hard to find at a good price.

I'm taking it everyday.. didn't read any good feedback on the pulse method. Most people also prefer 40mg/day.

[gicantor]

Thanks for all the info boys! I'll be grabbing a few bottles before this shit's all gone.... Do you think a pct would be necessary after 4-6 weeks?

Yes. I ran a simple 20/20/20/20 of nolva.


Which brand have you guys used?

I used IBE both times


Of the guys on here who have used it....did you take it every day, or did you use the "pulse" method that recommends use on only training days?

Everyday for 4 weeks. Taper it up run 20mg/30/40/40 and you will get exactly 4 weeks out of the bottle. Watch out for back pumps in the 4th weeks. Also split up your doses throughout the day. Half life is only six hours.

[Ritch]

Well it`s gone fellas! Cancel that, found a place that still carries it... Still I don`t think there will be anymore being made.

[Ritch]

Just read from an IBE rep on another board the stuff is still in production.

[gicantor]

^^^ even if the FDA bans it they will simple add/remove a few things, repackage it and call it something else. Just like all the other ones. It will always be around

[Ritch]

^^^ even if the FDA bans it they will simple add/remove a few things, repackage it and call it something else. Just like all the other ones. It will always be around

True enough, but mdrol seems to be gone now.

[gicantor]

True enough, but mdrol seems to be gone now.

Patiences young jedi, it will be back in time.......it's all a cat and mouse game

[daande]

I used havoc epistane delicious

[tony_canuck]

are they shipping it from the US? any problems getting across?

[spiderman7]

Of the guys on here who have used it....did you take it every day, or did you use the "pulse" method that recommends use on only training days?

I believe the pulse method is used to limit being shut down. I have a friend that does it this way and for him it works. For one whom is on trt it just doesn't matter. So dosing ED would yield more gains. Tell you one thing if I were to do Superdrol I would limit it to workout days only.

[spiderman7]

are they shipping it from the US? any problems getting across?

Never heard of anyone having problems.

[gicantor]

IMHO the pulse method is useless. You want to be growing on your days off too. Shutdown is very minimal even ED. You won't even notice you came off minus the faster muscle growth.

[Ritch]

Although I wouldn`t pulse it, I had a friend who pulesd M1T and got really good results. We noticed the change on him before he even told us what he was doing. BUT, this guy is a genetic freak... Eats chips almost everyday and drinks alot of pepsi and considers st huberts a decent meal!

[#8]

St Huberts is delicious man! Better than Swiss Chalet I think.

I found some retailers selling Epistane online. Its pretty cheap too considering.....

Most are selling the black and green bottle one. Havoc I think its called? Is that the one you guys used?

[kloan]

The black and green one is the original from IBE. The RPN Havoc comes in two varieties of bottles... ones black with yellow and red, and the other is a clear bottle with yellow and red.

The retailers you found, are they selling it at the sale price? If so, PM me. :)

[#8]

its ranging anywhere from $25 - $45 online at a few U.S. sites.

[gicantor]

Yeah green and black is IBE. I paid 36 bucks U.S a bottle.

[Azza]

Hi Guy's,

its my first post great forum only one i found current talking about Epistne from IBE.

Can i ask what your bootles have wriiten on them as the ingredients and has epistane changed its ingredients from 2007?

Cheers
Azza

[theboss]

i tried some PHs before and felt toxic...never again.

[ELCANADA]

Hi Guy's,

its my first post great forum only one i found current talking about Epistne from IBE.

Can i ask what your bootles have wriiten on them as the ingredients and has epistane changed its ingredients from 2007?

Cheers
Azza


Its the same product even across all clones. There is just different ways of listing the chemical structure name.

example Epistane/Havoc list
----2a,3a-epithio17a methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane
----2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Same thing...both add up to Epitiostanol

There has been no change in the ingredients since its intro...just the naming of the product....and there are several clones listing the same thing....E-stane,epidrol,havoc,epistane.

And please have good PCT if/when you use it.

[Jameson]

Hope anyone looking for it is able to find it. Seems nearly impossible.

[theboss]

Hope anyone looking for it is able to find it. Seems nearly impossible.

any luck casting that line today??:nofishing

[metalman]

Jameson? Google...Ebay.... pretty much impossible not to find.

[RagingRandy]

For those running it, what is the dose you run and for how long?

[ELCANADA]

For newbies :
Week 1 : 20 mg
Week 2 : 20 mg
Week 3 : 30 mg
Week 4 : 30 mg

For people who already used PH/PS/AAS in the past :
Week 1 : 30 mg
Week 2 : 30 mg
Week 3 : 30 mg
Week 4 : 40 mg

And if you want to push it you can run 6 weeks

Week 1 : 30 mg
Week 2 : 30 mg
Week 3 : 30 mg
Week 4 : 30 mg
Week 5 : 40 mg
Week 6 : 40 mg

[Jameson]

Not that i haven't found success in finding it, its if it really is available. Supplement suppliers have dead links or no stock. As for Ebay ... just not into paying the exorbitant price of shipping and the product of the two sellers who do have it.

Also after some reading it looks as if PrimaForce, once RPN, Havoc is the product to have. IBE is underdosed. Who's to say now how the product is.

Any event hope all who are using it have great results.

[Azza]

Its the same product even across all clones. There is just different ways of listing the chemical structure name.

example Epistane/Havoc list
----2a,3a-epithio17a methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane
----2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Same thing...both add up to Epitiostanol

There has been no change in the ingredients since its intro...just the naming of the product....and there are several clones listing the same thing....E-stane,epidrol,havoc,epistane.

And please have good PCT if/when you use it.

Only reason I ask is because my bootle say on it

Supplement Facts:

Serving Size: 1 capsule
Servings per Container: 90

Amount Per Serving:
2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol 10 mg

Other Ingredients: Gelatin (Capsule), Microcrystalline Cellulose.


Its also IBE green and black bottle is this fake epistane as it has slighly diffrent ingredients?

Thanks
Azza

[bongd]

Same shit, different pile. Some providers will use different nomenclature but that's known to happen with pro hormones and designer steroids.

It's all "Epistane". I highly doubt any of it's underdosed too. It's cheap as hell and it's all being sourced by the same dirty factories in China. There have been a few assays to show that there were different peaks with a few initial batches of someone's product (I think it WAS IBE's product after all) but in any event... we're talking about micrograms. This stuff's cheap enough that if you're missing a couple of mgs from a bottle, you really have nothing to be too concerned about. Just go with a more reputable company until it's completely pulled off the internet stores.

[kloan]

I was using the IBE Epistane and it was doing it's job... though I got some nasty cystic acne in my armpit and threw that shit out.

[metalman]

Would you guys consider Epistane a decent first timer anabolic?

Due to the cost, availability and gains I think this might be right for me as a first cycle.

I have been training a few years now...I'm 23, 6'0 and around 190 lbs and fairly lean. I would say about 12% bodyfat or so but I haven't been tested.

[C-money]

Would you guys consider Epistane a decent first timer anabolic?

Due to the cost, availability and gains I think this might be right for me as a first cycle.

I have been training a few years now...I'm 23, 6'0 and around 190 lbs and fairly lean. I would say about 12% bodyfat or so but I haven't been tested.
Its not the best option, but its better than some oral only cycles.. i would still tell ya test e is THE best first cycle. I ran a oral only as a first cycle (m1t)... got gains no doubt, but i wish i woulda started with pinning test e at 500mgs a week.

[GYMBRAT]

x2^

[Ritch]

I was using the IBE Epistane and it was doing it's job... though I got some nasty cystic acne in my armpit and threw that shit out.

That sounds painfull.

[kloan]

That sounds painfull.

Yeah, it hurt like hell. Couldn't work out til it healed...

[Azza]

Has anyone run Epistane with 1 Andro RX stack?

if so is it worth it or is it worth doing Epistane then have 4 week break then do 1 Andro RX then break 4 weeks then Epistane again.

Cheers
Azza

[ELCANADA]

Has anyone run Epistane with 1 Andro RX stack?

if so is it worth it or is it worth doing Epistane then have 4 week break then do 1 Andro RX then break 4 weeks then Epistane again.

Cheers
Azza


Horrible idea...thats running back to back orals with no break. If you value your liver then dont do the above. Epi is still hepatotoxic the above would give you no time to get your liver values in check. Plus the your lipid profile would be way out of whack...and your natty test would be very very suppressed.

The typical and safe rule in the PH/DS world is:
time on + pct = time betteween cycles.....so 4 weeks epi...plus 4 weeks pct = 8 weeks till your next cycle

Play it safe dude and read up.

[metalman]

would toremifene be a better alternative to Nolva for PCT due to lower liver toxicity?

[Ritch]

would toremifene be a better alternative to Nolva for PCT due to lower liver toxicity?

If you`re using nolva for pct and plan on using it for 4 weeks or something in that range, I wouldn`t worry about it. I`d even be willing to bet the pro hormones are more harsh on the body than the nolva...

[Azza]

I also thinking of taking either

1 white flood and White blood

or

2. super pump 250

with anabolic innavation cycle support and post cycle

also what decent value for money protien supp

Cheers
Azza

[metalman]

Azza, you should start your own thread in the supplements section.

If I am not mistaken you are talking about
pre workout supplements designed to increase energy and pump. They are essentially nitric oxide/energy supplements and you would not need to take any cycle support nor post cycle support for these . Also, you are unlikely to see any meaningful results from these products and your money would be much better spent on food.

As far as protein goes, tons of the sponsors above sell protein buy the tub. Check out the supplements section for more on this.

Finally, I strongly discourage the use of Epistane at this time, until you gain some experience and do a ton of reading. Unlike the supplements you listed, Epistane is essentially a legal steroid (in the US).

[bluesteal]

has anyone used the cycle support byanabolic inovations with the cycle of havoc and if so did you find it worked well or are there better choices for liver protectants.

[kloan]

liv52 and milk thistle are good liver support.. The namebrand crap is all marketing and flashy packaging... most guys use the two mentioned when using orals.

[bluesteal]

liv52 and milk thistle are good liver support.. The namebrand crap is all marketing and flashy packaging... most guys use the two mentioned when using orals.

k thanks

[bluesteal]

one of my friends just gave me a bottle of havoc. he said he was getting to bad of acne.. can you use havoc at the start of a test cycle to kickstart it or should i not even bother with it?

[kloan]

you can..

[bongd]

one of my friends just gave me a bottle of havoc. he said he was getting to bad of acne.. can you use havoc at the start of a test cycle to kickstart it or should i not even bother with it?

I used it for my first cycle and it made the water weight come on sooner than the test enth would alone. Now I'd rather just frontload with some suspension along with the test, that way I feel on cycle as soon as I start my cycle.

Decent oral, low toxicity, doesn't aromatize, very cheap.. but it's nothing special.