Upper limit of Tren in a cycle, how much have you used?

[Redz]

Just trying to plan out my next cycle and I started thinking of trying something else I had heard works very well which is a low dose of Test with a high Tren dose.

I was considering adding in EQ but have reverted back to the idea that more Tren is likely a better idea.

Something like this:

weeks:
1-5 Dbol 50mg ed
1-12 Test E 250mg/week
1-10 Tren E 1000mg/week
+some winny

or maybe like this:
1-5 Dbol 50mg ed
1-12 Test E 750mg/week
1-10 Tren E 850mg/week
+some winny

Am I insane to want to do cycles like this lol? Anyone have experience with similar cycles or just over all Tren comments. This will be my 5th cycle and I have run Tren E upto 600mg/week before. Sides have always been non-existant other than sweating at night which I can handle.

This will be a lean bulk cycle by the way. Any thoughts and critisism are welcome I just need to think out loud about this. I am still currently on cycle so this wont be for a while i just like to have things planed in advance.

One last note I am trying to keep the cycle to 5-6ml per week fo ease of injections.

[tiramisu]

100 mg/day of tren is a lot.

If you want to be excesive you may be better of with a gram of test and 700 mg of tren, 50 mg dbol.

Be prepared for acne, night sweats, bloating, crippling back pumps and blood pressure issues.


... lean bulking is an oxymoron.

[theboss]

... lean bulking is an oxymoron.

x2

i still like the idea of the EQ instead of higher tren dose, although i would be interested in how 1g of Tren E is.........so do keep us posted.

[Redz]

Yeah I hear ya, thats why I plan in advance I may go with the 850mg/week which is likely very close to the same amount of Tren as 700mg of Tren Ace per week would be. I really am not sold on the more test than tren thing either. but then again I could find out the hard way..... I think it is possible to gain muscle in alean fashion especially with Tren. I hear what you are saying about the lean bulking part but I think I can keep the gains pretty clean atleast within reason. I once bulked upto 267lbs which was insane but my diet was bad.

[Redz]

I guess I just want to figure out the ultimate cycle, I love the one I`m currently on(other than the injection site isssues but that has nothing to do with the cycle itself).

I guess another option would be
750 Test E
650 Tren E
600 EQ

It's just that I am a senior member on a major board elsewhere and everyone swears EQ is usless which still seems strange to me.

[tiramisu]

My last cycle was 700 mg tren a / 1750 mg test e. Acne was a significant side, enough so that I'm just finishing up a cycle of accutane. The night sweats were pretty significant with the tren although I found that a keto diet and am injections helped.

I tried to jump start w/ 50 mg of dbol but by week three the back pumps, bloat, and bp were not tolerable. I've switched to tbol and the back pumps are still crippling but the bloat and bp are manageble.

.... lean bulk... I'm not saying that you should ever become a fat slob but your abs are going to fade as you bulk. If you try to maintain your bodyfat at the same level you will miss out on your gains.

[tiramisu]

deca, tren, eq are all perfectly valid additions to a test base. I quite like npp and tren a. I haven't tried eq yet but I certainly will at some point.

[IronRobi]

I've yet to see anybody run 1000mg of Tren per week. Most I can handle is 600. I've seen a few handle 700. Nobody brave enough to go past that. I think I'd end up in jail at 1g

[Redz]

I`m not dissagreeing the two ideas are conflicting, and you are right to gain maximum muscle you need to add some fat. I just want to keep it in check to some degree. I have ran 600mg of Tren with no acne or sides and I was running 800mg Test at that time. I believe the 1750mg of Test could have been a large factor in the acne problem you had though. I know many people who swear Tren sides are tolerable upto a gram when only a low test dose is ran with it. Again i could learn the hard way following that advice though. I don`t see the point in going above 1 gram with the Test myself I like the 750 range.

[IronRobi]

Forgot to comment on the rest. My favorite cycle I've ever done was
Test E: 800mg
Tren E: 600mg
Winny: 50mg ED

[Redz]

Ive done that cycle^ I just kick started it with tbol.

[Mr Ontario]

IronRobi Tren is good :)


I've yet to see anybody run 1000mg of Tren per week. Most I can handle is 600. I've seen a few handle 700. Nobody brave enough to go past that. I think I'd end up in jail at 1g

[theboss]

It's just that I am a senior member on a major board elsewhere and everyone swears EQ is usless which still seems strange to me.

st*********** doesnt count.

[theboss]

Forgot to comment on the rest. My favorite cycle I've ever done was
Test E: 800mg
Tren E: 600mg
Winny: 50mg ED

ditto......
the only thing that would make it better.....600mg of EQ !!!!! :ilu

[Kronis]

What are your stats? That's a tonne of tren.

[Redz]

st*********** doesnt count. Why is that lol I speak with several pro body builders on there frequently. Also there is no S at the end of the website url not that it matters.

Anyways....

stats

6'2
230 lbs

I believe I`m 11-12% bf now will post pics on the coming weeks as i conclude my current cycle.

[Mr Ontario]

With or without a shaved chest :)


Why is that lol I speak with several pro body builders on there frequently. Also there is no S at the end of the website url not that it matters.

Anyways....

stats

6'2
230 lbs

I believe I`m 11-12% bf now will post pics on the coming weeks as i conclude my current cycle.

[Redz]

With or without a shaved chest
Currently quite hairy but going to shave soon lol. Wanna see the abs more

[Mr Ontario]

nothing wrong with being a Sascha :)


Currently quite hairy but going to shave soon lol. Wanna see the abs more

[waderow]

Why is that lol I speak with several pro body builders on there frequently. Also there is no S at the end of the website url not that it matters.

Anyways....

stats

6'2
230 lbs

I believe I`m 11-12% bf now will post pics on the coming weeks as i conclude my current cycle.


so thats not you in your avy?

Some people who went high dose on tren:

bald nazi
big fred

[baza]

I don't understand why someone would want to use such a high dose for no good reason?

[bongd]

My bro just started juicing and was foolishly just listening to advice from dickheads in the gym. He was running close to a gram for a while but said it felt like his head was going to explode and he was going to kill the next person he saw. I think he was running 900mgs if my math is correct, but he was uncertain. Just pinning like crazy and banging back WAY too much shit. He exploded in size but it was not worth it.

I really think there's no reason to go above 400mgs or so of tren for most users. After that, just add more anabolics in the mix. I'm such a kind hearted person but even a couple hundred mgs of tren and I think about punching pregnant women in the stomach and shit...... well, not that extreme. But I feel a ton of aggression and can't imagine using more than a few hundred mgs. :p

[Praetorian]

Just trying to plan out my next cycle and I started thinking of trying something else I had heard works very well which is a low dose of Test with a high Tren dose.

I was considering adding in EQ but have reverted back to the idea that more Tren is likely a better idea.

Something like this:

weeks:
1-5 Dbol 50mg ed
1-12 Test E 250mg/week
1-10 Tren E 1000mg/week
+some winny

or maybe like this:
1-5 Dbol 50mg ed
1-12 Test E 750mg/week
1-10 Tren E 850mg/week
+some winny

Am I insane to want to do cycles like this lol? Anyone have experience with similar cycles or just over all Tren comments. This will be my 5th cycle and I have run Tren E upto 600mg/week before. Sides have always been non-existant other than sweating at night which I can handle.

This will be a lean bulk cycle by the way. Any thoughts and critisism are welcome I just need to think out loud about this. I am still currently on cycle so this wont be for a while i just like to have things planed in advance.

One last note I am trying to keep the cycle to 5-6ml per week fo ease of injections.

I wouldnt say you are insane...but mentally challenged does come to mind.
I really hope this post is a joke!!
P

[GYMBRAT]

I have to agree^^, more is proven to not be better believe me, I used to think that way yrs ago and made the same gains seriously on smaller doses than when I used to think the higher the dose the bigger I'd get. But in the end the only thing I got from higher doses were more sides.

For me I run my test e @ 750mgs a wk and for tren a it would be 400mgs a wk......easier on the body and the wallet as well! :)

[waderow]

well, with tren, I would venture to say more is better, but fuuuuuck. at what cost.

[kloan]

1gram?? that's nothing...... if you're this guy:





















http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Local-Bull-C.jpg

[tiramisu]

But you have to inject the pellets in your ear.

[tums1000]

if your going to do high dose of tren i would stick to tren a ,so if the sides get to bad you can drop it and be fine in about a week instead of a few weeks with tren e

[hyperlite32]

I think 100mg ed of Tren A is do able if you could be islolated with 6 motnths of food and a gym, with no one around. Hell, go with 2 Grams...

[vakker]

I had enough sides at 400mg a week to KILL one of those cattle. Won't use it again personally and would never recommend anyone go above it.

[Redz]

so thats not you in your avy?
Thats an old picture from about a year ago I`m 222lbs there.

[dremen]

Redz, 1 gram/week of tren is a lil much for anyone under 300lbs IMHO.

If you want a KILLER bulk try running test/tren/deca together and BULK away bro:shock

Either way bro keep us informed:)

[rated_rko]

i think u should be good around 400mg tren
im going to be doing this bulker in jan
500mg-test
300mg tren e
50mg drol/ 20mg dbol=kickstart
var 50mg last 6 weeks to cut out and harden up

[Big D]

Redz, 1 gram/week of tren is a lil much for anyone under 300lbs IMHO.

If you want a KILLER bulk try running test/tren/deca together and BULK away bro:shock

Either way bro keep us informed:)

man tren and deca together ,, NOOOOO

not a good Idea

[natenator]

Thats an old picture from about a year ago I`m 222lbs there.
so your 8lbs heavier then?

I think you ought to reconsider your diet and training strategies before embarking on future cycles. You clearly have some problems that need addressing.

[Sandwiches]

...

[dremen]

man tren and deca together ,, NOOOOO

not a good Idea


Hey if you have serms on hand what's the problem. Don't knock it till you try it man.

[PdH]

Hey if you have serms on hand what's the problem. Don't knock it till you try it man.

Dremen, why do you do this to yourself Bro? If you want to start lactating that's your business, but suggesting serms for tren/deca sides is irresponsible. There are newbs here that just might follow your advice. You also set yourself up for a bombardment, which is pretty much deserved in this instance.

[Durk]

Threads like these almost make me believe that steroids should stay illegal lol

[natenator]

Hey if you have serms on hand what's the problem. Don't knock it till you try it man.
jesus ****ing christ.

If YOU don't know the REASON why you DON'T run these 2 compounds together then **** OFF and SHUT YOUR MOUTH. You need to type LESS and read MORE.

And people wonder why I go postal on here? Well here's your ****ing reason. THIS thread.

Dreman suggesting running tren and deca together is perfectly acceptable and Redz... holy shit!

[kloan]

so......... dont run tren and deca together - - - or should i up my tren dose and add deca to the mix?

[natenator]

so......... dont run tren and deca together - - - or should i up my tren dose and add deca to the mix?
throw in some halo and checkdrops and you got a killer cycle.

[kloan]

throw in some halo and checkdrops and you got a killer cycle.

sweet, that sounds perfect. i didnt want kids anyway...

[Rhinobolt10]

Hey man, I know what it's like to get an itch with tren...

I wound up overdoing it with tren and wound up having some health problems, used it too many times and too much... looking back it was retarded beyond belief and yeah I was stronger... but I would have have been like 95% as strong at the time, or just as strong but a couple months later... if any of that makes sense.

I personally needed something like that to come up to kick some sense into me... so I'm not saying don't do it... just take it easy for a while afterwards... and if you start to get some heartburn, just stop... seriously.

That being said, the difference between 400 and 800 isn't crazy in my experience, and 400 is still going to make you feel and lift superhuman.

I looked better on tren... but my diet was so shitty back then I still didn't look too great.

Good luck man... but personally, stick with 400 a week.

[Rhinobolt10]

I also didn't really get mental side effects, well I did but nothing too serious... some bros have become suicidal, or just such effing dickheads I didn't want to be around them... no joke, first hand experience...

[kloan]

I also didn't really get mental side effects, well I did but nothing too serious... some bros have become suicidal, or just such effing dickheads I didn't want to be around them... no joke, first hand experience...
yeah, im somewhere in the middle right now..

[rated_rko]

the mental stuff sounds pretty normal....heck u feel superhuman might a well feel like a superhuman dickhead...like if ur short temperd your gonna be shorter tempered...but the suicidal stuff yeah gotta watch out for that

[Rrrrolla]

If you have a girlfriend, you better be really careful running a cycle like that. On tren and test together, I, and many others I know, become very jealous and possesive to the point where it causes huge problems. I have gone as high as 1ml/day (700/week) and I did not like the person I became. Be smart bro, trade some of that tren and test in for more food or maybe some gh.

[natenator]

i think u should be good around 400mg tren
im going to be doing this bulker in jan
500mg-test
300mg tren e
50mg drol/ 20mg dbol=kickstart
var 50mg last 6 weeks to cut out and harden up
don't forget to eat this time.

[waderow]

On another board a couple years ago, a couple guys ended up in emergency surgery for liver issues. Something along the lines of a liver ulcer or bleeding in the liver. An embolism maybe? ****, I dont know, but they went under the knife, and the doc didnt waste any time.

It was two guys by the name of BigFred and Bald Nazi. Pretty big dudes.

Since they both had the same issue, it was discussed. Their cycles were compared and it appeared they both ran high dose tren.

The guys ended up being very skinny, and almost died as a result.

It may, or may not have been the tren, but its no secret that the shit is harsh.

With 400mg EW of tren, you get great results, and the with it major sides (generally).

Why do you need or want more?

[dremen]

Dremen, why do you do this to yourself Bro? If you want to start lactating that's your business, but suggesting serms for tren/deca sides is irresponsible. There are newbs here that just might follow your advice. You also set yourself up for a bombardment, which is pretty much deserved in this instance.

My bad, i should have said bromo, Dostinex or pramipexole. Late night post and was not thinking.

EXCUSE ME:ji

[Redz]

Well after all the deliberation and good insites form members this will be my new years cycle:

weeks
1-4 Dbol 40mg ed
1-16 Test E 750mg/week
1-15 EQ 600mg/week
1-13 Tren E 450mg/week

HCG,Clomid,Nolva PCT

On hand:letro,aromasin,Caber

[Rrrrolla]

Thats a beautiful cycle. I'd do it.

[gsxr750]

don't forget to eat this time.

lol!!!

[rated_rko]

does that suffice???
6am- 48g protein shake
7am-1 pack of oatmeal, 3 tbl spoons of oats
8am-gym
10:00am- 48g protein shake
10:30am- 3eggs boiled or fried with 2 pieces of whole wheat bread and 20 almonds(bump up to 5 eggs after week5)
1:30pm- tuna and whole wheat pasta
4:30pm-cottage cheese and 8 egg whites natural peanut butter and small grilled steak 6oz
7:30pm- red bean and or lentils rice and chicken breasts (alternate with salmon fillets on occation)
11:00pm-48g protein shake 2 pieces of whole wheat bread with natural peanut butter and 20 almonds

[PdH]

EXCUSE ME:ji

I was trying to be cordial in my approach yet you decide to respond with this. Game's on now.

[natenator]

does that suffice???
6am- 48g protein shake
7am-1 pack of oatmeal, 3 tbl spoons of oats
8am-gym
10:00am- 48g protein shake
10:30am- 3eggs boiled or fried with 2 pieces of whole wheat bread and 20 almonds(bump up to 5 eggs after week5)
1:30pm- tuna and whole wheat pasta
4:30pm-cottage cheese and 8 egg whites natural peanut butter and small grilled steak 6oz
7:30pm- red bean and or lentils rice and chicken breasts (alternate with salmon fillets on occation)
11:00pm-48g protein shake 2 pieces of whole wheat bread with natural peanut butter and 20 almonds
not for someone who claims to be around 235lbs

20 almonds? Hi JKRUZ, welcome to CBB...

[Shortdave]

.

[AlladdinSane]

not for someone who claims to be around 235lbs

20 almonds? Hi JKRUZ, welcome to CBB...


HA! Beautiful!

This thread is foolish.

[kg2105]

judging by that picture of you i would relax with even thinking about going as high as 1000mg of tren... what does that leave for later cycles? 3g of tren?... holy shit it goes to show you that you have no idea who takes anabolics... and i'm not trying to be an asshole just trying to be honest with you.

[gicantor]

jesus i can barely handle 200mg of ace. I couldn't imagine 1000mg of eth

[kloan]

As Waderow warned me, the sides have a way of sneaking up on ya.... and boy did they ever sneak up on me! I could feel everything slowly building, but still didn't think much of it... but now it's not easily ignored. Powerful shit tren is! Though it got more intense soon as I upped the dose... think it was under before.

I can't imagine what 1000mg would feel like, but I imagine I'd probably either have a heart attack, go insane with rage, or possibly kill or mangle someone or something. No thanks to that insanity.... hehe...

[dremen]

I was trying to be cordial in my approach yet you decide to respond with this. Game's on now.


Cmon lighten up already. Did you decide to join ironwill and nate's club....lol;)

[daande]

I was running 100mg of tren ace EOD for my FIRST CYCLE lol. I got zero sides from it other than my hair was falling out like crazy...I am soo lucky about 1.5 months after stopped the tren the hair loss stopped. I havent seen any hairloss on my current cycle.

[Blitz-Test]

Just trying to plan out my next cycle and I started thinking of trying something else I had heard works very well which is a low dose of Test with a high Tren dose.

I was considering adding in EQ but have reverted back to the idea that more Tren is likely a better idea.

Something like this:

weeks:
1-5 Dbol 50mg ed
1-12 Test E 250mg/week
1-10 Tren E 1000mg/week
+some winny

or maybe like this:
1-5 Dbol 50mg ed
1-12 Test E 750mg/week
1-10 Tren E 850mg/week
+some winny

Am I insane to want to do cycles like this lol? Anyone have experience with similar cycles or just over all Tren comments. This will be my 5th cycle and I have run Tren E upto 600mg/week before. Sides have always been non-existant other than sweating at night which I can handle.

This will be a lean bulk cycle by the way. Any thoughts and critisism are welcome I just need to think out loud about this. I am still currently on cycle so this wont be for a while i just like to have things planed in advance.

One last note I am trying to keep the cycle to 5-6ml per week fo ease of injections.

I am not trying to come off as a dick, but if that picture is of you in your avatar, you sure as **** dont need this much gear... How much do you weigh? Whats your bodyfat? How tall are you..? This is a shitload of gear yes it will give more gains than 500mg of test and 200mg of tren... but maybe its not the gear which is your problem... maybe diet training and rest is what you need to look into and not how many ccs of tren you can pump into yourself...

[Memo]

Always coming up with intelligent answer blitz I like your style.

[Durk]

I was trying to be cordial in my approach yet you decide to respond with this. Game's on now.

Maybe its the booze, but for some reason right now everytime I read one of your posts I picture a juiced up Fraiser Crane. You get that often?