Focus enhancers

[oster]

Anyone here use anything like Ritalin or Adderal to be more focused in the gym? Or outside the gym for that matter??

I met a guy at my gym the other night who swears by the stuff and takes a pill an hour before every work out...

[daande]

I have taken both ritalin and adderal for studying. It is the bomb. I have used it during workouts because as I am studying I like to take breaks for the gym. Doing concetration curls on this stuff is wild you are really in the zone! However, I would not recommend taking this shit just to workout it is really powerful and addictive.

[Ritch]

Doing concetration curls on this stuff is wild you are really in the zone!

Do yo think that`s why they call them conentration curls?

Take 3 grams of l-tyrosine 1 hour after your preworkout meal and around 30-60 minutes before training. Stacks very well with caffeine, ephedrine, DMAE and vinpocetine.

[baza]

There are legal supplements that help a bit. You should try those before going the prescription route just to focus in the gym.

[GYMBRAT]

I agree^......have never had that issue personally myself..

[oster]

Ive tried most of the supplements, on a eca stack right now... But its never really worked the way I would like...

If I got some I would use it mostly outside the gym, but would def try it out for the gym, Ive heard a lot of good things!

Also incrase in Libido is reported??!

[baza]

Nootropic supps? Or just stuff like fatburners with ephi?

[pblade]

ritalin worked for me like a charm for school, but honestly half way through using ritalin i REALLY wanted to get off. I had to fight through taking it just to help me study for exams; because it got to a point where it was getting really addictive.. and i felt cracked out most of the time.

[LIVEHARD]

There are legal supplements that help a bit. You should try those before going the prescription route just to focus in the gym.

Head meds to workout WTF

If you need that much help to train maybe you should just give up

Those med's are given to persons with mental issues

[spiderman7]

HGH seems to help. Well maybe the older farts.

[#8]

^^^

i want whatever that fat kid is on!

[musclehead123]

There was a thread about drugs that affect/help with the CNS on another board. It had some good stuff written in it. It was about 5 years ago or so...i'll see if i can digg it up for you.

[tiramisu]

I really can't imagine why you would need to take ritalin/adderal to lift weights.
This is sillly.

[_Ragnar_]

Doesnt this fall under "rec" drugs. Is this not against the rules?

[juced_porkchop]

I would try and stay away from that stuff if i where you!
be safe. a caffien tab or if you must 8-16mg ephedrin with it.
but Id stay away from that stuff if i where you.
also LG sciences has a decent OTC product i been using for a month now wich it pretty good. its called " E-911 "

[KINE]

Iv used ritalin for studying and works great but you build a tolerance to it fast. For lifting i'd use it on a big lift day, but really thats only every once in a while, its to expensive to use often, and really, using ADD drugs to help lifting outside of a powerlifting meet is silly. ECA stack is a good kick in the ass, but ever since the fiasco on ephedrine, the quality of these "nasal decongestant" 8mg tabs is terrible, so ECA isn't like it used to be

[tex]

you know what keeps me focused....pussy and lifting shit heavy weight.....

[Sean Summers]

Head meds to workout WTF

If you need that much help to train maybe you should just give up

Those med's are given to persons with mental issues

x2

SS

[hyperlite32]

Iv used ritalin for studying and works great but you build a tolerance to it fast. For lifting i'd use it on a big lift day, but really thats only every once in a while, its to expensive to use often, and really, using ADD drugs to help lifting outside of a powerlifting meet is silly. ECA stack is a good kick in the ass, but ever since the fiasco on ephedrine, the quality of these "nasal decongestant" 8mg tabs is terrible, so ECA isn't like it used to be

Agreed, Half the time they feel like something totally differant. I liked it when they were 25mg. Even compared to taking 4-5 8mg pills it is NOT the same.

Just to add, adderall is a amphetamine. That says it all.

[outshine]

Try modafinil, i like it alot better than the amphetamine based stimulants, you get a nice smooth flow no comedown. The Anabolics books recommend it for focus and energy during workouts, i just use it to study but I do find it beneficial in the gym.

[tums1000]

i used it alot back in high school,college ( i have adhd ) and it doesnt give you some crazy boost at all ,it just made it easier for me to pay attention in class with out chewing on pens like mad haha...

[Ritch]

Try modafinil, i like it alot better than the amphetamine based stimulants, you get a nice smooth flow no comedown. The Anabolics books recommend it for focus and energy during workouts, i just use it to study but I do find it beneficial in the gym.

This stuff apparantly is the shit. But it`s expensive. There is a great nootropic thread over on t-nation and alot of the guys experimented with modafanil, adderal and some other stuff. It`s a very long read.

[LIVEHARD]

This stuff apparantly is the shit. But it`s expensive. There is a great nootropic thread over on t-nation and alot of the guys experimented with modafanil, adderal and some other stuff. It`s a very long read.

F'kin DRUGGIES ^^^^:ilu

[Ritch]

F'kin DRUGGIES ^^^^:ilu

You and me buddy... But yeah, it`s been so tempting for me to try this stuff, it just sounds wonderful!

[deletedandgone]

Nootropics are generally very effective, but be careful. Racetams are fine, but stuff like vinpocetine widens blood vessels in the head, you might have headaches for life when you come off it. Plus there are also eyesight issues when coming off - while on, there is increased bloodflow to the retina (and the eyeball), so your nightvision will become illuminated (very intense), but when you are off it, the eyes get used to constant supply of blood and bam - vision gets worse.

Stuff like DMAE may cause dementia and increased agression (does not boost testosterone), but only if you increase the recommended dose, otherwise it's not very effective.

Stacking racetams is a good idea. For example, take 1 pill of piracetam (water-soluble) and 1 pill of aniracetam (fat-soluble) in the morning, then 2 pills of piracetam in the afternoon. I really like this stack.

As far as bodybuilding improvement - almost any nootropic is guaranteed to elevate the anxiety reaction, which would result in poorer sleep, especially when taking caffeine.

My 2 cents: do not take nootropics, unless you need them for school, and if you do, be very careful. Piracetam, oxiracetam and aniracetam are by far the safest and most researched nootropics around.

[Chaps]

Anyone here use anything like Ritalin or Adderal to be more focused in the gym? Or outside the gym for that matter??

I met a guy at my gym the other night who swears by the stuff and takes a pill an hour before every work out...

CHeck out Focus XT by SNS (serious nutrition solutions), you walk into the gym with blinders on just completely focused. Don't screw around with Ritalin or Adderal

[troy_trinity]

uh- don't **** around with adderal... it's not something to be taken lightly and it doesn't give you some super-human intense focus and it is far from good for your body.

if you need focus enhancement for the gym find a new hobby...

[waderow]

uh- don't **** around with adderal... it's not something to be taken lightly and it doesn't give you some super-human intense focus and it is far from good for your body.

if you need focus enhancement for the gym find a new hobby...

thank you

[troy_trinity]

thank you

erm... what you thanking me for bro? I'm confused did i miss something?

[Chaps]

Picked up some L-Tyrosine the other day something as simple as 1g on an empty stomach greatly increases focus and mood, somethign to look into

[waderow]

erm... what you thanking me for bro? I'm confused did i miss something?

edited post. thanks for saying the obvious

[Ritch]

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if you need focus enhancement for the gym find a new hobby...

Hold on a second here. Focus enhancers or nootropics are very valuable to me. They restore chemical imabalances such as dopamine. Stuff like l-tyrosine make a huge impact in my everyday life as they keep my mood and well being in a positive state. It`s an individual thing. Increasing brain function is a fascinating subject to me and am on a quest to find out exaclty which one`s to take for optimal brain output function. I don`t think I`m in the category to need stuff like modafanil or ritalin from a doctor, so these are my area of hope if you will... So please don`t say people who need them need to find another hobby as I take great offense to that.

I take it you use steroids off and on. Yet I`m rather sure when somebody tells you the stuff is crap you disagree as it helps you achieve your goals. Same with focus enhancer and am willing to bet it`s easier on your body and health than steroids. Not saying steroids are bad, just saying they don`t **** with you as much...

[Thorgrim]

I don't have trouble with focus. Sometimes I don't feel like going to the gym, but I always drag my ass there anyway. Once at the gym I always kick my own ass.

[tex]

i dont understand this. so you dose up with steroids to get big/strong and hit the gym hard but then high doses of anabolics/androgens arent enough to get you motivated to hit the gym?! why bother with any of it if you are gonna be on an endless list of drugs?! you take a few things to get big, then something to help concentrate but it makes you wired so you need something to help you sleep but then you are drowsy in the morning so you need a stimulant to get the day going but then by early afternoon you are crashing and need something else....then its time to hit the gym but you are bombed off stimulants so you need a "focus enhancer" and on and on and onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn........................t hink about it..................

[troy_trinity]

Hold on a second here. Focus enhancers or nootropics are very valuable to me. They restore chemical imabalances such as dopamine. Stuff like l-tyrosine make a huge impact in my everyday life as they keep my mood and well being in a positive state. It`s an individual thing. Increasing brain function is a fascinating subject to me and am on a quest to find out exaclty which one`s to take for optimal brain output function. I don`t think I`m in the category to need stuff like modafanil or ritalin from a doctor, so these are my area of hope if you will... So please don`t say people who need them need to find another hobby as I take great offense to that.

I take it you use steroids off and on. Yet I`m rather sure when somebody tells you the stuff is crap you disagree as it helps you achieve your goals. Same with focus enhancer and am willing to bet it`s easier on your body and health than steroids. Not saying steroids are bad, just saying they don`t **** with you as much...

bro I think you are totally misunderstanding what I am saying...

Yes there are a place for these meds and if you feel you need them for overall well being than you probably do have an imbalance that you are correcting yourself. It is important to balance serotonin levels and dopamine levels and all that jazz but doing so yourself is a bad choice imo. A little too much one way and you'll feel suicidal.

And Adderal isn't something I'd compare to some of the nootropics you can pick up online.

What I'm saying is that using Adderal for a quick boost to go to the gym is a dum idea- it's the equivilant of saying "well I better snort my coke before I do this next set to get me pumped"

What you are using nootropics for is completely different than getting a quick boost to go to the gym. And adderal is in a completely different boat altogether... The stuff ain't good for you at all. And if you need Adderal to go to the gym than you do need a new hobby. Not saying that correcting imbalances with medicines is wrong. But using adderal to correct an imbalance yourself would be stupid imo (since you really do need to see a doctor if you want to use it and feel you have adhd). And using adderal as just as a pre-wo boost is just retarded.

As far as the AAS comment I use gear all the time and I like to use a lot of it. But I'm overseen by a professional. There is a difference between playing doctor yourself and having bloodwork in front of you.

Not being a dick here bro seriously but I wish you would consult a doctor about your meds because nootropics aren't a realm of drugs you should enter by yourself. I do wish you the best of luck in your endeavours.

[Ritch]

i dont understand this. so you dose up with steroids to get big/strong and hit the gym hard but then high doses of anabolics/androgens arent enough to get you motivated to hit the gym?! why bother with any of it if you are gonna be on an endless list of drugs?! you take a few things to get big, then something to help concentrate but it makes you wired so you need something to help you sleep but then you are drowsy in the morning so you need a stimulant to get the day going but then by early afternoon you are crashing and need something else....then its time to hit the gym but you are bombed off stimulants so you need a "focus enhancer" and on and on and onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn........................t hink about it..................

Can`t say I`ve done enough gear to call myself a steroid user, but haven`t really used noops and gear together except for this summer. But then again didn`t really feel the gear so the nootropics can`t really be considered an extra. But so what if you combine them? It`s icing on the cake and to really know how effective these can be, you should try them. It`s getting your cns ready for maximum stimulation in the gym. But can understand how if you`re feeling jacked up already on gear, you`d think they`re not necessary... It`s just taking things to anohter level. They also enhance neural recuperation between workouts. So Adderal aside which I agree is a nasty one, stuff like vinpocetine, dmae, l-tyrosine, aniracetam, oxiracetam (last 2 mostly used for studying) can take your training to the next level. There for your taking, or not... And let`s not forget steroids some steroids such as dianabol increase dopamine levels like l-tyrosine. I`m sure there are other examples I`m not aware of.

So to sum up, yeah adderal is crap, but the natty stuff like I described and others you should experiment with yourself before saying they`re bad or not.

[troy_trinity]

Ritch I'm not saying that what you do or what you use are bad- that would be the equivilant of me saying steroids are bad...

The thing is you need to deffinately know what you are doing- now I don't know about the specific drugs you mentioned or how strong they are but I do know that if you play with dopamine and serotonin levels you can become depressed very quickly. I'm not just shooting the shit here- I have experience with this stuff.

It's not like using some dbol and getting itchy nips and throwing in nolva.

If someones training needs to be taken to the next level I'd say higher a trainer or nutritionist or something. Or hell even sports hypnotherapy...

Yes some drugs we use alter levels of serotonin and dopamine but I think playing with these drugs without a physician is just a whole different realm of pushing things too far- and I push the envelope a shitload further than most...

[Ritch]

bro I think you are totally misunderstanding what I am saying...

Yes there are a place for these meds and if you feel you need them for overall well being than you probably do have an imbalance that you are correcting yourself. It is important to balance serotonin levels and dopamine levels and all that jazz but doing so yourself is a bad choice imo. A little too much one way and you'll feel suicidal.

And Adderal isn't something I'd compare to some of the nootropics you can pick up online.

What I'm saying is that using Adderal for a quick boost to go to the gym is a dum idea- it's the equivilant of saying "well I better snort my coke before I do this next set to get me pumped"

What you are using nootropics for is completely different than getting a quick boost to go to the gym. And adderal is in a completely different boat altogether... The stuff ain't good for you at all. And if you need Adderal to go to the gym than you do need a new hobby. Not saying that correcting imbalances with medicines is wrong. But using adderal to correct an imbalance yourself would be stupid imo (since you really do need to see a doctor if you want to use it and feel you have adhd). And using adderal as just as a pre-wo boost is just retarded.

As far as the AAS comment I use gear all the time and I like to use a lot of it. But I'm overseen by a professional. There is a difference between playing doctor yourself and having bloodwork in front of you.

Not being a dick here bro seriously but I wish you would consult a doctor about your meds because nootropics aren't a realm of drugs you should enter by yourself. I do wish you the best of luck in your endeavours.

You`re spot on about the serotonin and dopamine. I often use 5htp for serotonin and l-tyrosine to increase dopamine a few times a day to take care of that. St john`s wort goes well with the 5htp and just makes me feel like a "better person" When I go off everything I just can`t function. Often taking every 4th week off the 5htp to avoid downregulation and try to cut back on the tyrosine from time to time. But that`s the best I can do with what I know and have been doing this for a long time.

But you`re right about seing a doctor. I should and want to convince him to give me a script for deprenyl, which acts on dopamine, and is my main problem in life, as it kinda runs in my familly.

[L3]

uh- don't **** around with adderal... it's not something to be taken lightly and it doesn't give you some super-human intense focus and it is far from good for your body.


finally got a script for addreall, highest dosage.... makes my brain go 1000mph and i actually get shit done...coming off it though is NOT fun

[Ritch]

^^^ How much you taking per dose? 200mg I`m assuming. Why do you think you need it? Just curious.

[troy_trinity]

200mg?!?!?

If your got the xr version 20mg's is the highest dose I think...

And coming off it is horrible- come down 5mg's every second/third week... All you'll want to do is sleep and you'll be one irritable mofo lol

[L3]

200??? jesus christ you would have a anneurism on the spot.

30mgs of Adderal XR per dose, me and my friends are ****ing wired

i take it because i need to study for my GMAT, but what ive found out is that my brain works too fast when doing the math and i start skipping steps = fail

if im gonna have a busy day at work i take one and actually get shit done, instead of watching SP like i did all day today

and i only take it 1ce or 2ce a week MAX

[Ritch]

unless the adderal xr is a stronger version than regular adderal because all the tabs I`ve seen are on average 200mg. You sure they`re not 300mg one`s, I`ve seen those as well.

[troy_trinity]

unless the adderal xr is a stronger version than regular adderal because all the tabs I`ve seen are on average 200mg. You sure they`re not 300mg one`s, I`ve seen those as well.

xr is like clear and blue caps with little crystal yellow ball thingys inside them... 5mg's/cap :)

[tex]

unless the adderal xr is a stronger version than regular adderal because all the tabs I`ve seen are on average 200mg. You sure they`re not 300mg one`s, I`ve seen those as well. as far as i know you can only get adderall in doses 5, 7.5,12.5, 15,20 and 30.......the xr is just extended release and comes in 5,10,15,20,25 and 30's......

[Ritch]

If you need something to study, I strongly suggest you look into aniracetam and oxiracetam. The oxi is used only for intense studying sessions and apparantly you retain info like nothing else. Dosing of each ranges from 200mg to 800mg and can be bought in bulk powders and don`t really cost that much. I`ve mentioned this before but on t-nation they have the brain function booster thread and is a gold mine with people`s experiences with all kinds of brain candy...

[Ritch]

Sorry guys, I was refering to adrafanil in my earlier posts... That stuff is dosed as I was saying.

[spiderman7]

I have tried deprenyl and l-dopa. L-dopa is cheap and works. Deprenyl works well.
Both I feei are relatively safe in moderate doses.

[Ritch]

l-dopa, I wouldn`t mess with. You may end up with uncontrolable movements like the person in your avatar spiderman7! Deprenyl from what I`ve read is used at around 2.5 mg a day. Is that what you did? I would like to hear the doses you ran and for how long and how you felt after if you don`t mind. If this isn`t something you don`t want to share on the forum feel free to pm me, or not, lol... But it`s something I`m really considering.

[Ritch]

There`s actually a good thread over at t-nation on adderal. L3, please read this.

[warlock]

3 g o Ltirosine + 20g of glutamine pre work out = magic

[pseclint]

Interesting thread considering my life is school........ is oxiracetam legal? or by script....

[Ritch]

^^^ From what I`ve read it`s legal, but makes you want to take a nap after a few hours of studying, but they say it makes you retain everything. That with aniracetam. 100grams of aniracetam costs about $45, while the oxi is a little more expensive at around $80 for 100grams. each are taken at about 200-800mg. Aniracetam is lipo soluble. Seriously check out the threads on t-nation, every question you can have is answered there.

[oster]

Well since I first started the thread I've only tried concerta @ 54mg. I use it mainly for studying but it does help me push mysellf much harder in the gym. That being said I would not suggest anyone to take it just to get a boost in the gym, the come down is horrible and does not make that extra boost worth it (for anyone who was considering trying it).

When I need to study though it is actually pretty amazing how well it works, I do get some sides while on though, anxeity, and sweating being the main two. I am goingto ask my dr. if I can try some of the othe suggestions you guys made and see how they work.

Ritch, would you be able to link the thread? I can't seem to find it...

[Ritch]

The first 40 or some pages in part one is where the best info is. It gets a little repetitive after that, but still lot`s of good info and would read it before taking anything.

http://tnation.tmuscle.com/...nction_boosters

[spiderman7]

l-dopa, I wouldn`t mess with. You may end up with uncontrolable movements like the person in your avatar spiderman7! Deprenyl from what I`ve read is used at around 2.5 mg a day. Is that what you did? I would like to hear the doses you ran and for how long and how you felt after if you don`t mind. If this isn`t something you don`t want to share on the forum feel free to pm me, or not, lol... But it`s something I`m really considering.

I have used l-dopa at about 360mg daily with no problems. Stuff is not nick named Nescafe for no reason. As for the deprenyl I have used 2mg for 2 mnths on and then off.

[oster]

The first 40 or some pages in part one is where the best info is. It gets a little repetitive after that, but still lot`s of good info and would read it before taking anything.

http://tnation.tmuscle.com/...nction_boosters


Thanks!

[jacked_to_the_nine]

Anyone here use anything like Ritalin or Adderal to be more focused in the gym? Or outside the gym for that matter??

I met a guy at my gym the other night who swears by the stuff and takes a pill an hour before every work out...

you've started a fleakin case study buddy... anyway, i use 2.5mg on training days and it does work, i finish my sets and complete my rounds right to the second... i've also noticed a great improvent in ju-jitsu and wrestling training, were focus is dire... i find taking more then 5mg just makes me feel jittery... most people have a mild case of ADD anyway, so its not even a big deal, just don't abuse it.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

3 g o Ltirosine + 20g of glutamine pre work out = magic

hahaha! ya that sounds AMAZING!

[deletedandgone]

Does anyone know what's happening with t-muscle? The server hasn't been responding for quite a few days now, I can't follow that ^^ nootropic link.