No more UG Lab talk

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I guess some of you saw this coming. I made my decision after taking some time to really see what was going on here.

I have been spending most of my time here in the upper forums concentrating on the bodybuilding stuff, competitions and getting new users.

I was rarely coming into the AAS parts.

I have a few friends here on the site I've known all my life who bodybuild and drop by often. They called me last night and one of them said something to me. He goes, you've been concentrating so hard to getting the competitor stuff covered and bring competitors here and didn't realize you were pissing in the wind.

I am one that doesn't click the NEW POSTS button. I know some of you have told me you're the same but I mean I haven't done this since I've been on bb sites. Odd habit I know but that is the truth. He says what do you think a competitive bodybuilder making a living as a personal trainer, competitor, etc will do when he/she clicks on new posts and almost every new thread is about this ug lab or that ug lab? They'll browse a few minutes, leave and never come back. He was totally right. I may have retained a few but most I will lose because of it.

The other issue is safety. I don't feel all that safe that everyone is going to be ok. I've warned many times not to do illegal stuff and not to give out too much details on what you are doing like I just got this off my ****** source. Damn, did you know that I was counting the astericks there to try not to land the same amount of astericks as a lab name?

If you just counted them too now, then you should realize it's messed up.

Ever since I became the owner of CBB, I stayed away from giving my opinion on labs. I focused on the board. You can all go back and verify my posts.

The the icing on the cake was the bit of time I spent tracking those who review labs. IP's, join dates and aggression in posts. I took myself away and tried to put myself in as a new member or a moderate member that has been here awhile. In that position, a member like that would be totally confused on what is good and what is not. I could not track members to verify if they were legit posters. IP's of a member jumping from all places in the country and the world. That means it's very hard to see if that was a legit review, even from my stand point, a 9 year veteran. I can filter out a lot and know who is who by a lot of details. But it is horribly time consuming. Even a mod could not do this without making it a full time job. I don't make much from the site so I can't quit my day job and babysit reviews.

So I had a few suggestions I thought may work. After some thought, I said lab reviews would never work, no matter if it was filtered somehow or if it was on any other site. This is not a CBB problem, it's how the underground works. You'll always have people with vested interest in the lab or against the lab. Probably the last little while has shown you all this. I am not going to sit behind a computer all day long to figure out the good and the bad. It's just plain crazy.

I could let it all go as is and the infighting will continue, guys with vested interest to go aggresively against the board as currently happened will reoccur.

So the best solution to all this is stop the UG Lab talk. I mean you can all discuss it in private, in emails or in your gyms but don't post it on the open board anymore because you'll have your attackers on one side and defenders on the other side and some poor newbie in the middle not knowing what the hell is going on and maybe that review was actually true. But maybe it was made to prop up a lab or attack it to discredit it. This will happen on any board that will allow that type of discussion. So while a fiasco is going on, those not interested in AAS, keep seeing the threads in the new posts all about this lab or that because everyone is in there trying to make the lab look good or bad. It's gotten silly.

As some of you mentioned, there was a time online when we would discuss how to use this stuff and how to train properly and diet properly. The newest thing I'm getting into is the competion stuff. I'm trying to move those sections to see how it can be successful and what the members like. That with a full time job can be rather time consuming. So to cool everything down here and to defuse the situation, there will be no more UG lab talk from today on.

If something serious happens and the community needs to know, you can always contact me and if it's something I agree with, I will allow it on the open forum even if it's a UG Lab thread.

Remember that if someone pm's you offering you a source, it's illegal and I encourage you to report the pm. There is a little exclamation icon on the top right of every pm message. Click that and myself and the mods will get the pm and we can see it. If it violates the rules, we'll ban them immediately. Same thing with someone asking you for a source. Report them and they'll be banned.

CBB is a site to learn about BODYBUILDING and discuss what we do for a hobby or lifestyle without needing to get into the shady shit. Keep the board clean and we'll always have a place you can call home. Take a step away from being only focused on UG labs and get back to what we all love. Bodybuilding.

All the threads we have here will remain. Bumped threads will be locked and new threads deleted and the poster warned. If done repeatedly then it'll be time to go.

[LIVEHARD]

Do we still have our private group ?? That my be the place by invite only.

The dreaded new sight is all about UG's shrills and trashing good people.

Gear is a part of BB but I have to agree its not all its about. Your nothing without diet and proper training methods.

I'm sure any NOOB once he or she has logged in some time will find a way to ask his or her questions in private.

My deepest condolances soory about your loss. That comes first!!

:a+


I'm sure all us kids will be here when you get back !!

Best

Sincerely.

[BAM]

What effect does this have on the UG review by PM group?

[bigtavi8]

Im with you on this MP. Its getting out of hand obviously and this is not what the site is all about. Lets talk about diet,nutrition, training more because that is what BB is all about. Have to admit at one time lab talk was helpful but now with all the shit going on it just looks ****ed on our board.

[ubcpower]

I dont think this will have much effect at all....from what ive observed the people who generally ask the retarded q's on ugl, for reviews of ugls and fishing prompt questions are those who have like 12 posts who dont intend on being contributing and positive members of the board anywys

[nisser]

I personally didn't see this coming, especially after we've seen what happened to MN when the NO LAB talk policy was instated.

Here's to hoping it won't happen here as well.

[deleteduser0001]

I dont think this will have much effect at all....from what ive observed the people who generally ask the retarded q's on ugl, for reviews of ugls and fishing prompt questions are those who have like 12 posts who dont intend on being contributing and positive members of the board anywys

+1

I agree.

[nitrous]

I dont think this will have much effect at all....from what ive observed the people who generally ask the retarded q's on ugl, for reviews of ugls and fishing prompt questions are those who have like 12 posts who dont intend on being contributing and positive members of the board anywys

but at least now instead of people responding and me having to look at it when i go in there i dont see as many threads as the mods can remove them.. so sure people will still do it but the mods can deal with it a bit..

like the others have said what about that group and what about the option 3 from the previous suggestions?

[megwell]

i agree

[GYMBRAT]

It's all good, I'm for whatever betters this site. Most of the time when ppl comment on a lab it's so "yes it's good" or "no it's no good" that it's hard to come to an actual legit decision on if it is a reputable lab to begin with......to me it's trial and error and always has been
unfortunately!

Also I think the private group should work out fine for that, I just don't think minimal post members need to be in it imo :)

[GYMBRAT]

I dont think this will have much effect at all....from what ive observed the people who generally ask the retarded q's on ugl, for reviews of ugls and fishing prompt questions are those who have like 12 posts who dont intend on being contributing and positive members of the board anywys

I solely agree on ubc's statement!

[Varlover]

As a newbie who has just recently joined the board, there sure is a lot of drama here since I joined. I dont hold that against the site or even the members as a whole, only takes a few bad apples kind of thing. There is tonnes of valuable info here that doesnt have anything to do with gear and thats why I joined.

That is not to say I am not interested in hearing about different products because I am a sponge for information and want to be armed well once its time to make the decision.

I understand that protecting the integrity of the site is paramount but just hope im not shunned and left in the dark because im not a posting machine.

A little common sense goes a long way.

[gicantor]

^^^ with quality posts like that, you'll be just fine. welcome to the board.

[meathead]

MP... I can only imagine how difficult your decision was and how much stress there has been for you lately.

You have the support of myself and I am positive you have the support of the other members of this community as well.

[tex]

MP... I can only imagine how difficult your decision was and how much stress there has been for you lately.

You have the support of myself and I am positive you have the support of the other members of this community as well. x2

[Big D]

sounds good

[dirtyp]

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[trainharder]

Smart move.

[guym]

With what we (YOU, in the end, more than anyone) are dealing with here...100% logical.

[Danger]

Good Stuff

[gustavo77]

I think this is a good decision MP...

[Felinecougar]

Im with you on this MP. Its getting out of hand obviously and this is not what the site is all about. Lets talk about diet,nutrition, training more because that is what BB is all about. Have to admit at one time lab talk was helpful but now with all the shit going on it just looks ****ed on our board.

:ht Taught you well Tav.

[Felinecougar]

Excellent decision. It's the way of the future.

Take our local gym. IT's not a gym, it's called a Fitness Center. And 95 % of the members pay the bills, those being the average person interested in health, bodybuilding and fitness. (many of them are over 40yrs of age) The other 5 % of us find our ways just fine with out posting about this lab or another at the gym doors.

If we were to post about labs on the doors..the other 95 % would turn around and walk away.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

I saw this coming a long while now.

I support your decisions MP---you have always stood on strong grounds!


B2J

[BAM]

Well, maybe not now.. but when I start my clomid... I'm gonna weep, and I'm gonna weep hard for Joe Consumer.

The poor bastard.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I'm doing what's best for the site BAM. I wish I had the solution for every problem but with this one, I have no choice. It's either we move in a different direction and roll with the punches or we continue and bring tons of heat here.

[BAM]

I'm doing what's best for the site BAM. I wish I had the solution for every problem but with this one, I have no choice. It's either we move in a different direction and roll with the punches or we continue and bring tons of heat here.

Yeah.. I know.. Its just unfortunate thats all. I was working on a group designed to take UG discussion off the main site and it got crushed before it could really get developed properly. It would have taken heat off the site imo, or at least liability.. but I respect your site and your decision.

[ironwill]

Thank-you for setting the new direction MP....appreciated......
As has been said, please report any posts you guys see breaking the new rule....it will take a bit to get used to, but in the end...Mp has been doing this a long time, and has our best interest as a whole at heart.....
Thanks for making the tuff decision MP.....

[CanadianIron]

How about a review sub forum where only mods can post where we can have threads for labs where members can rate them but not comment?

Aas is a huge part of serious BBing so I can see reviews being an asset and if they're poles only and no one can post you shouldn't have much bs.

[natenator]

I dont think this will have much effect at all....from what ive observed the people who generally ask the retarded q's on ugl, for reviews of ugls and fishing prompt questions are those who have like 12 posts who dont intend on being contributing and positive members of the board anywys
Lol, seen more than a few here with decent sized post counts asking the lab feedback questions or pimping labs - plenty of times. It's not just newbies.

Newbies get a bad rap but the reality is it's the long-term member which is more dangerous. They're perceived as being credible...

[Diesel_250]

I agree with your decision, it was getting a little bit carried away. there is a lot of knowledge on this board and aas is just a small part of it. some people need to focus on learning about nutrition and how to train properly before they worry about sticking a needle in their ass or taking a few pills. Most of us here want whats best for the sport and the board. Keep up the good work

[bongd]

I'm new here but I'm not a newb. The only reason why I frequent steroid forums is mainly to follow the underground scene. I've seen forums impliment this rule and crumble. It may not be everyones bread and butter, but I'm sad to see this decision right after joining.

UGLs and everything that gravitates around it will always have inherent problems. People should just be smart and play it safe. It's not my decision to make but I'll just say that I don't think turning away from this problem will fix anything. It'll just reduce traffic.

Just my two cents. It's a shame because there aren't any good Canadian AAS boards out there. Ah well. Can't win em all.

[purelife]

that is a smart decision it was getting out of hand slowly
keep our community safe

Peter

[rob66679]

I'm new here but I'm not a newb. The only reason why I frequent steroid forums is mainly to follow the underground scene. I've seen forums impliment this rule and crumble. It may not be everyones bread and butter, but I'm sad to see this decision right after joining.

UGLs and everything that gravitates around it will always have inherent problems. People should just be smart and play it safe. It's not my decision to make but I'll just say that I don't think turning away from this problem will fix anything. It'll just reduce traffic.

Just my two cents. It's a shame because there aren't any good Canadian AAS boards out there. Ah well. Can't win em all.


What was/is going on isn't just inherent of UGL's, its inherent of the drug world.
If MP "turned away" from it the problem would be fixed, because this board wouldn't be used as a battleground anymore. Pretty hard to hype something or bash it when you can't even say the name.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Also no emails in signatures. Started to clean those up.

If anyone sees a sig with an email, please pm me the handle and I'll remove it.

[C-money]

I'm new here but I'm not a newb. The only reason why I frequent steroid forums is mainly to follow the underground scene. I've seen forums impliment this rule and crumble. It may not be everyones bread and butter, but I'm sad to see this decision right after joining.

UGLs and everything that gravitates around it will always have inherent problems. People should just be smart and play it safe. It's not my decision to make but I'll just say that I don't think turning away from this problem will fix anything. It'll just reduce traffic.

Just my two cents. It's a shame because there aren't any good Canadian AAS boards out there. Ah well. Can't win em all.

Ya Bong i feel the same way

[theboss]

honestly, it already feels like the pace has slowed here.

[hyperlite32]

This is a good thing for everyone on this site.

Thanks MP.

Loose lips sink ships. I like the members and this board too much to have to deal with UGL B.S. talk.

[theboss]

This is a good thing for everyone on this site.

Thanks MP.

Loose lips sink ships. I like the members and this board too much to have to deal with UGL B.S. talk.

i agree its for the best...its just became apparent that UGL talk was a BIG part of CBB...which can lead to too many problems for all of us.

[Ritch]

Also no emails in signatures. Started to clean those up.

If anyone sees a sig with an email, please pm me the handle and I'll remove it.

That, I agree with 100%. I mean c`mon with emails like "xxxx" How much more obvious can you get?

[_Ragnar_]

I want to start off by saying i agree with mp on no ug talk. can we get a list of taboo or safe to talk about (what ever is easier). Just recently someone asked about thai dbol and i dont know if its ug or hg. It would be nice to know what is ok to talk about.

[slick rick]

Good call MP.... we appreciate you looking out for the safety of your members.

[theboss]

That, I agree with 100%. I mean c`mon with emails like "xxxxxxxxxx@safe-mail.net" How much more obvious can you get?


i just assumed he like "orange julius' alot.........how naive

i think you should edit his email out of your post Ritch

[Ritch]

i just assumed he like "orange julius' alot.........how naive

i think you should edit his email out of your post Ritch

It was a random name. Say it was somebody`s email address here before, it`s now banned anyway.

[theboss]

It was a random name. Say it was somebody`s email address here before, it`s now banned anyway.

well if that is the case you wouldnt want people contacting him looking for gear would you......just sayin.

[Ritch]

well if that is the case you wouldnt want people contacting him looking for gear would you......just sayin.

Not trying to be a smart ass here, but he sure did. I mean with a sig like that, what else is he wanting to be contacted for?

[Ritch]

Post edited.

[theboss]

Post edited.

thanks bro...nothing against what you wrote, but its just for the best with everything going on lately....

[Ritch]

thanks bro...nothing against what you wrote, but its just for the best with everything going on lately....

That`s what I thought as well.

[tony_canuck]

i can agree and understand about safety issues and overall bodybuilding information. you want this site to be more about the entire lifestyle and news covering bodybuilding, not just a site to talk about ugl supps.... that's fair enough.

on the other hand i think in general its sad that this is going further underground, which will make it tougher for people to get information about what exactly is happening and I can see the return of lots of scammers etc... but i guess the gov't thinks people who want to get in shape are somehow 'evil' and this witch hunt continues... nevermind that i can get my stomach stapled, botox parties are legal and i can stick implants all over my body, but try to gain 10 lbs of lean muscle and you're now a criminal...

[vakker]

I'm not aware getting your stomach stapled is legal without a doctor, nor a botox party legal at all (requires a doctor) and implants also...require a doctor.

I don't think it's safe to assume that we cant legally administer AAS without a doctor either.

Just saying.

[tony_canuck]

I'm not aware getting your stomach stapled is legal without a doctor, nor a botox party legal at all (requires a doctor) and implants also...require a doctor.

I don't think it's safe to assume that we cant legally administer AAS without a doctor either.

Just saying.



LOL that's what I meant. you couldn't ask your doc to put on a ton of muscle with aas, but he will be happy to do all of the other things, which can be extremely dangerous. People talk about the dangers of aas, but no one has ever died from 500mg of test, yet people die of cosmetic surgeries

[MuSuLPhReAk]

The stepmom of a girl I work with had her stomach stapled. 4 days later she was dead.

[vakker]

LOL that's what I meant. you couldn't ask your doc to put on a ton of muscle with aas, but he will be happy to do all of the other things, which can be extremely dangerous. People talk about the dangers of aas, but no one has ever died from 500mg of test, yet people die of cosmetic surgeries

sure you can, you can get your stomach staples as a medical need if you are obese and you can get AAS for muscle wasting if you have AIDS. I think comparing superficial calf inplants to chemicals that alter your bodies chemical functioning for superficial reasons is not apples to apples.

As sad as it is, I think comparing the legality of rec drugs to AAS is more in tune: both are illegal, both bring out personal benifits, neither are given in the doses that users really want to have and neither are looked at in a positive light outside their respective communities.

I am not trying to debate, just saying...

[RagingRandy]

^^^^Please explain the personal benefits of rec drugs?

[vakker]

^^^^Please explain the personal benefits of rec drugs?


each community defines them.

we say getting bigger and stronger is a positive, others see it as a superficial premature death.

if you don't like people talking about your community like that, do you still go around knocking rec drug users? I am not a rec drug user.

In the spirit of not having this break out into a further rec conversation, i'll just say, everyone has their own opinion, you can be right if you are judged by your own standards but will always be wrong if you are judged by others.

[Ritch]

This vakker dude is smoking some good shit! Just kidding dude, I totally understand what your saying...

[gustavo77]

neither are given in the doses that users really want to have and neither are looked at in a positive light outside their respective communities.

I am not trying to debate, just saying...

Yes but do not forget that there are doctors out there that live in the past...at 31 years of age, my doc diagnosed me with low testosterone, he offered me Viagra....when i brought up testosterone, he told me "the dangers of prescribing androgens far outweigh the benefits..." Meanwhile, he is the doc for my city's hockey team...so i think it had to be more of an image thing.... there is no way that he can prescribe steroids, that would be unethical...oh and he once told me that he has seen clinical evidence that steroids cause brain tumors...lol...


^^^^Please explain the personal benefits of rec drugs?

Ya, i would like to know that as well...I mean i have burned one or two in my life but i do not think there was any real health benefit....in fact it made me nauseous...not something I would want if i was on chemo...

[nisser]

The stepmom of a girl I work with had her stomach stapled. 4 days later she was dead.

I guess he forgot to leave at least a little bit of an opening :P

[force]

Yeah I guess it was getting out of hand, whatever it takes to keep the board (and its members) safe Im all for it.

F.

[RagingRandy]

each community defines them.

we say getting bigger and stronger is a positive, others see it as a superficial premature death.

if you don't like people talking about your community like that, do you still go around knocking rec drug users? I am not a rec drug user.

In the spirit of not having this break out into a further rec conversation, i'll just say, everyone has their own opinion, you can be right if you are judged by your own standards but will always be wrong if you are judged by others.

Simply put, look at the death toll rec drugs, alcohol being one of them, have on the general population. I have yet to see a study that links AAS use to someones death. There is a lot of media hype but there is no evidence that AAS causes death, even premature death. As was states in Bigger, Stronger, Faster, where are the bodies?

[fourarms]

I guess he forgot to leave at least a little bit of an opening :P

funny guy there

[vakker]

Simply put, look at the death toll rec drugs, alcohol being one of them, have on the general population. I have yet to see a study that links AAS use to someones death. There is a lot of media hype but there is no evidence that AAS causes death, even premature death. As was states in Bigger, Stronger, Faster, where are the bodies?

who are you trying to convince?

[Ritch]

who are you trying to convince?

I know he`s just preaching to the choir...

[RagingRandy]

As sad as it is, I think comparing the legality of rec drugs to AAS is more in tune: both are illegal, both bring out personal benifits


This is what I find in error. As there is no personal benefits to rec drugs and the long term affects are far more drastic than with AAS. The two can not be compared.

[vakker]

You just seem confused as to the concept of relativity and community defined positives and negatives. Just let it go.