Good cutting stack advice!

[jacked_to_the_nine]

hey, i just got the first half on my cycle, and just waiting on a few things... i've decided to run a prop and winny with clen and nolva cycle... this is all QV and human grade, so i'm pretty pumped!

days 1-80 test prop 100mg EOD
days 30-80 winni tabs 50mg ED
days 1-100 Nolva 20mg ED
days 1-100 Clen 5 days on 2 days off

my buddies compete and they said that they would run what i have this way, they run thier clen throughout and same with nolva, they are old school and have always run the most simple cycles, test/tren/nolva, and they never run hcg and barley buy AI's cuz of the price, it seems that human grade Nolva does everything you need... lol they don't even know what UGL is! I feel really good about this!

OH AND DOES TEST ACTUALY EXPIRE, CUZ MY PROP IS GOIN OUT IN 2010!

[bigtavi8]

Sounds great too me but man i hate to say it but switch that winny. Im telling you it wont give you the desired effect. Winny even when dosed properly is simply a hardener. Id say instead of spending the money on winny you run something like EQ. Just better bang for your buck. **** i really didnt think winny was worth the neg to pos effect ratio. Not much gains, slightly harden you up, harsh on joints especially at 7 weeks. Very brutal pct depression. Run some other inj and youll be happy you did. Plus your poking already anyways. Just an opinion.

[bigtavi8]

Also test DOES expire. Ive read threads on here in the past were they say the hormone becomes inactive and not as potent after expiry. You can still run it but make sure you use it up before its too late and gets bunk on ya.

[daande]

Ive also heard winny is not really good unless you are under 8% bodyfat. If I were you I would run T3/clen and test prop. Also, forget the nolvaex throughout save it for PCT.

[bigtavi8]

Ive also heard winny is not really good unless you are under 8% bodyfat. If I were you I would run T3/clen and test prop. Also, forget the nolvaex throughout save it for PCT.


Your right daande unless your precontest diced it doesnt even work wonders. I know a close friend who was 7 percent bf for the last 4 weeks and used it at 75mg and didnt have much effect. Minimal weight gains. T3 is a nice option...also that lipoex i hear about if you could find it.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

damn hommi's, i'm glad i didn't get that winni yet then... and about the nolva, i think i'll either take it if i absolutly need it or maybe just split the dose... i'm considering buying some UGL aromasin, but i mean come on, if real aromasin is like $300 fleakin dollars for like 100 and the UGL is 3 times less expensive, then what the hell is in that UGL? anyway i would love to do EQ but serioulsy, you would throwup in your mouth if i told you how expensive it was for a 10ml bottle!

[nitrous]

ya i wouldnt run the nolva at all during the cycle unless you need to

[bigtavi8]

damn hommi's, i'm glad i didn't get that winni yet then... and about the nolva, i think i'll either take it if i absolutly need it or maybe just split the dose... i'm considering buying some UGL aromasin, but i mean come on, if real aromasin is like $300 fleakin dollars for like 100 and the UGL is 3 times less expensive, then what the hell is in that UGL? anyway i would love to do EQ but serioulsy, you would throwup in your mouth if i told you how expensive it was for a 10ml bottle!

It all in the source my friend. UG's i know of have EQ for a very reasonable price not much diff than the test. Probably cheaper than a bottle of winny. Be careful with the UG you choose thats all. Trust your source and there aromasin id have no worries. And nolva keep it on hand incase the old estro or gyno flare up...

[Ritch]

Isn`t human grade stuff just more expensive because of patents and shit like that? The ug`s don`t have to pay patents and just get raw material from china or where ever and brew up the stuff.

Not a steroid example but on T-nation a guy was showing how the pharma companies with something like Modafanil make about a 5000% profit margin. That`s not a typo. ****ing 5000%, when he compared how much it costed him from his powder source.

Ya, medical nolva is expensive and they`re ****ing you in the ass with those prices. Nolvadex in powder is so cheap it`s just rediculous. I bet you the numbers resemble the modafanil example.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

Isn`t human grade stuff just more expensive because of patents and shit like that? The ug`s don`t have to pay patents and just get raw material from china or where ever and brew up the stuff.

Not a steroid example but on T-nation a guy was showing how the pharma companies with something like Modafanil make about a 5000% profit margin. That`s not a typo. ****ing 5000%, when he compared how much it costed him from his powder source.

Ya, medical nolva is expensive and they`re ****ing you in the ass with those prices. Nolvadex in powder is so cheap it`s just rediculous. I bet you the numbers resemble the modafanil example.


ya i think that human grade is more expensive because you know exactly what your getting, and a patent is a pretty big deal too, like we are talking about the diffrence between a liscenced chemist who is specificaly educated in the chemical formulation for steroids as appose to a chemist who may not have this type of education... i've only done QV and human grade injectables, and have had crazy results, but one time i did try a UGL deca and it wasn't the same... i don't think that UGL is fake (unless you have anavar), i just think that they are mostly way underdosed and the half life seems to differ as well...

[canadianmuscle0803]

you cycle is decent and will get the job done.. mind you cutting is 99.99% diet anyways.. i think your cycle is very amateur.. 100mg prop eod is very week.. whats that like 350mg/week? i would double that dose and add in tren ace 100mg eod, also instead of nolvadex i would take arimidex 1mg EOD will do the job.. :)

[canadianmuscle0803]

as the above said.. QV is not human grade and if im not mistaken most of the QV now a days is counterfeit anyways??? stay away from mexican labs if u ask me.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

i gotta say this though, everything i have studied for the last couple of months seems to have gone down the crapper, because i met these real deal level 3 BB's that are really "jacked to the nine" and i must say they have changed my way of thinking... it seems that the world of recreational UGL steroid users differ greatly from the real BB's of the stage... if you have a UGL source that will send you anythin through the mail for cheap, then it seems that putting together a cycle that looks more like a science experiment is of the norm, but indeed if you were to campare the prices of some of the UGL products to the real thing you would likley pass out from shear economical trauma!

i have come to learn that there are only 4 things you need to get jacked and they are... TEST / TREN / CLEN / NOLVA and that is it, and then the next level would be to add HGH / IGF-1

one thing i've noticed, from looking at the old hand written cycles that these BB's used, was that they would use alot of TEST for the first half of the cycle and get pretty big and then right away drop the test and go on to TREN and NOLVA as they start to dial in for a compitition, and meanwhile being on clen from day one! so i suppose i will give tren a try at the 80 day marker and use nolva along side and hopfully i can finaly get ripped to the point of stupid!

[canadianmuscle0803]

i gotta say this though, everything i have studied for the last couple of months seems to have gone down the crapper, because i met these real deal level 3 BB that are really "jacked to the nine" and i must say they have changed my way of thinking... it seems that the world of UGL steroid recreational users differ greatly from the real BB of the stage... if you have a list with and a UGL source that will send you anythin through the mail for cheap, then it seems that putting together a cycle that looks more like a science experiment is of the norm, but indeed if you were to campare the prices of some of the UGL products to the real thing you would likley pass out from shear economic anurism!

i have come to learn that there are only 3 things you need to get jacked and they are... TEST / TREN / CLEN / NOLVA and that is it, and then the next level would be HGH / IGF-1

one thing i've noticed, from looking at the old hand written cycles that these BB used, was that they would use alot of TEST for the first half of the cycle and get pretty big and then right away drop the test and go on to TREN and NOLVA as they start to dial in for a compitition, and meanwhile being on clen from day one! so i suppose i will give tren a try at the 80 day marker and use nolva along side and hopfully i can finaly get ripped to the point of stupid!

i have done many man different steroids in my day.. many different human grade labs and mostly all of the UG labs out there.. i must say.. i recently found a lab that is just as good if not better then any human grade i have tried.. also.. IGF 1 is useles.. the next level would be HGH and then insulin.. clen and nolva to get jacked?

[canadianmuscle0803]

one thing i've noticed, from looking at the old hand written cycles that these BB used, was that they would use alot of TEST for the first half of the cycle and get pretty big and then right away drop the test and go on to TREN and NOLVA as they start to dial in for a compitition, and meanwhile being on clen from day one! so i suppose i will give tren a try at the 80 day marker and use nolva along side and hopfully i can finaly get ripped to the point of stupid!

our knowledge of bb science has come a mighty long way since these cycles you speak of, i know of a few pros of today and test is done with every cycle and never dropped.. if anything the test levels are higher during contest prep.. your forgetting some major contest prep drugs as well.. arimidex up to 2mg a day 12 hrs apart for show prep, proviron 100mg a day for show prep.. these are probably the more key ingredients in getting that hard/dry look.. you need to update your cycle sources lol

[jacked_to_the_nine]

our knowledge of bb science has come a mighty long way since these cycles you speak of, i know of a few pros of today and test is done with every cycle and never dropped.. if anything the test levels are higher during contest prep.. your forgetting some major contest prep drugs as well.. arimidex up to 2mg a day 12 hrs apart for show prep, proviron 100mg a day for show prep.. these are probably the more key ingredients in getting that hard/dry look.. you need to update your cycle sources lol

ya i may be mistaken i think the written cycles may have the test run streight through, i'll have to look again... regardless i'm still impressed at the massive gap between stage BB's and guys who just workout and still use AAS, its like night and day!

[jacked_to_the_nine]

ya i may be mistaken i think the written cycles may have the test run streight through, i'll have to look again... regardless i'm still impressed at the massive gap between stage BB's and guys who just workout and still use AAS, its like night and day!

yep i'm retarded, he's turning to test prop w/tren after the sustanon... but still weird that they have him add the nolva in the middle about 6 out weeks to "dry him out"? indeed i suppose nolva could keep the estrogen at bay to a point so less water retention, but A-dex or other AI's would deffinetly work better, but its a $$$ issue!

[Neavris]

Human grade arimidex cost an arm, I've looked into it. Just grab ugl, it's as good.