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Mastagon
15-09-2009, 01:19 AM
When I first started researching how to reconstitute IGF, I never thought it would take 10 hours or so of looking over 4 different boards to come down to something definitive. There are so many compounds, combinations, % strength, acidity, etc that people use for this peptide it was ridiculous. Maybe all this is easy if you are a chemist or have "been in the game" a while, but I found it to be a bitch. ANYWAY. Turns out the best recon mix is acetic acid .6% strength. This mixture will ensure the IGF (IGF-1, IGF-1-LR3, IGF-II or otherwise) is stable at room temperature for a year or more, and is exactly the kind of thing for people who don't plow through 1mg bottles in a week's time.

And the best thing about .6% acetic acid? You can make it yourself:

Things you will need

distilled 5% white vinegar (grocery store, yes, the stuff you put on fish and chips)
distilled water (grocery store, pharmacy)
Alcohol prep pads – sterile kind (70% isopropyl alcohol, pharmacy)

Equipment:

two .2-.22 sterile syringe filters (whatman and millipore are common types)

10mL syringe with a luer lock tip (smaller syringes can obviously work, though you'll be drawing more frequently)

1 standard sterile new syringe

2 new and sterile 20-22 gauge needles

1 empty Sterile glass vial (10-20mL)

Procedure: Alot of this is common knowledge, but here it is anyway

1. swab the top of the empty sterile vial with the alcohol pre pad

2) put the syringe filter on, then attach the needle to this filter. draw up 7.5ml distilled water, then 1ml of vinegar

3) dispose of this needle and filter, attach a new syringe filter, attach the needle onto this filter (making sure not to touch the end of the filter or the exposed needle with your fingers)

4) Inject the 8.5mL of solution into the sterile vial

5) the syringe filter ensures that the mixture you've put in that vial, and
eventually into your body, will be sterile. Using a filter for drawing AND for injecting might be overkill, but it never hurts to be cautious.

5) you now have 8.5ml of of .6 acetic acid

The Reconstitution itself

1) get the regular new sterile syringe

2) draw up the desired amount of .6% aa, which would depend on how strong you want your IGF (read: mcg/ml or mcg/iu)

3) swab the top of the vial containing the IGF

4) inject the mixture SLOWLY down the side of the vial (never directly onto the powder itself!)

5) gently swirl the mixture around until uniform

6) There, that's it.

Notes:

You might not need this much solution, or you may need more. Whatever you do, keep the ratio the same. 1 part vinegar, 7.5 parts distilled water)

Obviously, you'll be washing you hands thoroughly beforehand, and doing this in a clean environment, with only new and sterile equipment. Unless you'd like an abscess from injecting contaminated garbage into yourself.

While this mixture will last a long time at room temperature, it won't hurt to keep it stored in the fridge.

Most of this information was paraphrased from a post by Hulk6767 over at anabolex, so props to him. See the original post:

http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48923&highlight=acetic+acid

waderow
15-09-2009, 10:26 AM
you also need to account for the purity of the vinegar.

I need to check my notes though so when I get home I will post more about this.

Andre
15-09-2009, 11:23 AM
Could you not simply reconst with BS water?

Mastagon
15-09-2009, 11:35 AM
To my knowledge, the ph level of bs water, with .9% Benzyl alcohol, is too low for IGF and takes the life of the peptide down to a few days. BS water is great if you get 100mcg vials that can be used quickly. It also works well if you keep it separate from the aa, but draw it up in the same syringe as your IGF shot as it helps cut the sting of aa by bringing the PH down a little bit (aa=acid, bs=base, so some neutralizing occurs) which guards against possible muscle necrosis from IM shots. Other than that, bs would be a bad idea from what I've read.

Andre
15-09-2009, 11:57 AM
A 100mcg bottle is the dose for 1-2 days... so it would not need to stay refrigerated any longer...

Mastagon
15-09-2009, 12:32 PM
A 100mcg bottle is the dose for 1-2 days... so it would need to stay refrigerated any longer...

Not sure if I understand but,

Yep. Like I said, reconning the 100mcg bottles with BS is fine. They'll get used up before any peptide degradation. It might even be alright to recon an entire 1mg bottle with BS if you're planning 100mcg a day, but I think there would be too much degradation in the last 2-3 shots. Even if you don't want to make the aa yourself, its not too difficult to buy. Considering the longevity bonus with if you're using 1mg vials, I don't see why you wouldn't want to use it.

Andre
15-09-2009, 12:41 PM
Not sure if I understand but,

Yep. Like I said, reconning the 100mcg bottles with BS is fine. They'll get used up before any peptide degradation. It might even be alright to recon an entire 1mg bottle with BS if you're planning 100mcg a day, but I think there would be too much degradation in the last 2-3 shots. Even if you don't want to make the aa yourself, its not too difficult to buy. Considering the longevity bonus with if you're using 1mg vials, I don't see why you wouldn't want to use it.

I meant to say it would NOT need to last more than 2 days... this is based on 100mcg bottles like Hardcore sells...

Mastagon
15-09-2009, 12:49 PM
Gotcha. Makes sense now.

waderow
15-09-2009, 01:44 PM
I have tried IGF in AA with NaCl as a dilutent, and I have tried IGF in straight BW as well as straight NaCl.

The IGF degraded too quickly in anything except the AA.

If you are getting 100mcg vials, then it shouldnt matter, as you should be pinning it immediately after reconstitution, however 1mg vials require AA

Mastagon
15-09-2009, 02:23 PM
you also need to account for the purity of the vinegar.

I need to check my notes though so when I get home I will post more about this.

Whats wrong with using regular old distilled vinegar. To my knowledge, there aren't many impurities that could make their way through a .22 um filter

waderow
16-09-2009, 11:52 AM
Whats wrong with using regular old distilled vinegar. To my knowledge, there aren't many impurities that could make their way through a .22 um filter

purity meaning the % of acetic acid in the vinegar (S/B 5%)

Andre
16-09-2009, 12:24 PM
I have tried IGF in AA with NaCl as a dilutent, and I have tried IGF in straight BW as well as straight NaCl.

The IGF degraded too quickly in anything except the AA.

If you are getting 100mcg vials, then it shouldnt matter, as you should be pinning it immediately after reconstitution, however 1mg vials require AA

What dose did you do? How did you like it?

waderow
16-09-2009, 01:26 PM
50mcg per day PWO and tried 100mcg per day PWO


More is better.

Good pumps. Difficult to say what gains, but I believe in the science

Mastagon
16-09-2009, 07:49 PM
purity meaning the % of acetic acid in the vinegar (S/B 5%)

gotcha. Just went over a few things, and the ratios of 1 part vinegar to 7.5 parts water are correct if you are using 5% acetic acid.

5% acetic acid is .05 acid in 1ml, so 50/1000 microlitres (can't remember if that's the right unit)

add 7.5ml of water, gives you .05 of acid in 8.5 of water or 50/8500 micolitres

Reaching back to grade 11 chemistry, to find the % concentration of this you divide 50 by 8500 and multiply by 100 which gives us .5882352, or in other words, about .6%

Mastagon
16-09-2009, 07:50 PM
I've tried this with non distilled vinegar, noticing no negative effects.

waderow
16-09-2009, 08:45 PM
filter it before injecting

Mastagon
16-09-2009, 09:41 PM
I'm not sure what you mean. All the instructions on the first page make what kind of filtering you need to be doing clear. You should be filtering each compound -water and vinegar- as you draw them, filtering also as you inject them into a seperate 10ml bottle. This should be filtered yet again before injecting the desired amount into the 1mg IGF bottle. But just to be clear, you should not be filtering the injection of IGF itself. That mixture should be sterile and totally free of any harmful contaminants.