Questions for the guys on TRT/HRT

[MikeyFXD35]

1. How long to you go between cycles?

2. Between cycles what dose of test are you taking?

3. Do you bother with any PCT supplements?

[faller]

1. How long to you go between cycles?

2. Between cycles what dose of test are you taking?

3. Do you bother with any PCT supplements?

1. I've been doing only one cycle a year, my summer cycle usually would be run at about 20 wks... However, i'm thinking of adding a winter bulker this year just for shits and giggles.. Still playing around with just what it'll be, so far i'm leaning towards a D-Bol/Deca/Test cycle..

2. Anywhere from 200 to 300 a week.

3. Non... There's no need. When the cycle is done i just jump back onto TRT.

[MikeyFXD35]

Thanks Faller,
See I am on 200/mo so I am thinking of increasing that. Maybe test-c once a week at 250. I just went 13 weeks and pretty happy with the results, and my overall wellness. Energy, strength and libido up. During the cycle I was at 500/wk. Tried a few different orals and found Dbol was pretty good. My weight is up only 1.5 pounds but my body fat is down around 10lbs....very hard to get an accurate measurement using BMI scale, but the mirror doesn't lie and I can see the difference.

[faller]

Just curious here, are you going through a Doc for your HRT? 200 mg. a month seems to be the standard lately when going through a Doc.

[MikeyFXD35]

Yes that is through the doc, but from what I have read it seems low for HRT. That's why I am trying to get a feel for what I should be taking between cycles without over doing it.

[Jelly Roll]

Hi everybody, my first post, here...

I've been experimenting with a self-prescribed TRT/Blast and Cruise approach this summer, just trying to see what works and what doesn't for me, for when I decide to go "on" forever (I'm 34 now). What I've come up with after a bunch of reading so far is a hybrid of Dante, Milos Sarcev, and Louie Simmon's protocols for staying on.

Dante advocates blasting for 4 weeks at higher doses of testosterone, followed by 2 weeks of cruising at 200-300mg/week and 50mg/day of Clomid to help restore the HPTA. You follow this protocol in combination with a periodized training plan where you progressively bust your ass in the gym for 4 weeks (for the blast), and then do two weeks of de-loading (on the cruise).

Milos Sarcev's version is to stack one injectable androgen (any Test) with one injectable ananbolic plus one oral androgen with one oral anabolic. All the gear gets changed over every 4-6 weeks so the body won't get used to the diminishing effects of same sets of hormones for long periods of time. He just jumps from blast to blast.

Louie runs Primobolan plus a low dose of Test for his cruising in between his cycles leading up to competitions.

What I've done is taken a moderate approach to the best of what they all have. I run the blast for 6 weeks of one androgen injectable (Test at roughly 500mg/week) and one anabolic injectable (roughly 300-500mg/week), and 200IU's of HcG E3D. Then I cruise/TRT for 4 weeks at just 200mg/week of the same Test that I'm using plus 300mg/week of Primo, with Clomid at 50mg/day. At the end of the cruise I switch my gear to a new androgen and anabolic and repeat the process.

It's looked like this so far,

6 week blast #1-
Test-E 500mg/week
Masteron-E 300mg/week
HcG 200IU/E3D

4 week cruise-
Test-E 250mg/week
Primo 300mg/week
Clomid 50mg/day

6 week blast #2-
Test-Prop 525mg/week
NPP 525mg/week
HcG 200IU/E3D
(this was fantastic by the way, I loved it)

4 week cruise-
Test-Prop 200mg/week
Primo 300mg/week
Clomid 50mg/day


I've only tried this for 4 months now, so there's no "long-term study" done yet :) and nothing is written in stone either. I'm still tweaking this and that (for example I'm going to try bumping the Primo up to 500mg/week during the cruise/TRT period) so if anyone has anything to add or subtract from this experimental protocol please do, all advice is welcome.

I hope this helps Mikey.

JR

[Solo59]

Hi everybody, my first post, here...

I've been experimenting with a self-prescribed TRT/Blast and Cruise approach this summer, just trying to see what works and what doesn't for me, for when I decide to go "on" forever (I'm 34 now). What I've come up with after a bunch of reading so far is a hybrid of Dante, Milos Sarcev, and Louie Simmon's protocols for staying on.

Dante advocates blasting for 4 weeks at higher doses of testosterone, followed by 2 weeks of cruising at 200-300mg/week and 50mg/day of Clomid to help restore the HPTA. You follow this protocol in combination with a periodized training plan where you progressively bust your ass in the gym for 4 weeks (for the blast), and then do two weeks of de-loading (on the cruise).

Milos Sarcev's version is to stack one injectable androgen (any Test) with one injectable ananbolic plus one oral androgen with one oral anabolic. All the gear gets changed over every 4-6 weeks so the body won't get used to the diminishing effects of same sets of hormones for long periods of time. He just jumps from blast to blast.

Louie runs Primobolan plus a low dose of Test for his cruising in between his cycles leading up to competitions.

What I've done is taken a moderate approach to the best of what they all have. I run the blast for 6 weeks of one androgen injectable (Test at roughly 500mg/week) and one anabolic injectable (roughly 300-500mg/week), and 200IU's of HcG E3D. Then I cruise/TRT for 4 weeks at just 200mg/week of the same Test that I'm using plus 300mg/week of Primo, with Clomid at 50mg/day. At the end of the cruise I switch my gear to a new androgen and anabolic and repeat the process.

It's looked like this so far,

6 week blast #1-
Test-E 500mg/week
Masteron-E 300mg/week
HcG 200IU/E3D

4 week cruise-
Test-E 250mg/week
Primo 300mg/week
Clomid 50mg/day

6 week blast #2-
Test-Prop 525mg/week
NPP 525mg/week
HcG 200IU/E3D
(this was fantastic by the way, I loved it)

4 week cruise-
Test-Prop 200mg/week
Primo 300mg/week
Clomid 50mg/day


I've only tried this for 4 months now, so there's no "long-term study" done yet :) and nothing is written in stone either. I'm still tweaking this and that (for example I'm going to try bumping the Primo up to 500mg/week during the cruise/TRT period) so if anyone has anything to add or subtract from this experimental protocol please do, all advice is welcome.

I hope this helps Mikey.

JR

This is extreme and will soon shut you down permanently. Plus, being "on" all the time does wear your organs, glands, & cardiovascular system down, I believe (same as running a locomotive on full steam all the time). I'd say run your cycles as usual (about two a year) but take plenty of time off in between to stay at a "normal" level of testosterone so your body can replete its wear & tear.

I use a locally-made T-gel that seems to be quite effective (along with GH, when possible), though it's no "fire in the belly" like 800 mgs EW of Test:rolleyes:.

Solo

[Jelly Roll]

Solo is right, the hybrid protocol idea I'm trying out is an extreme example of cycling with TRT. I should've been more clear that what I wrote is something geared more towards the competitive BB/PL. And by no means do I think it's perfect either, there's lots of gaps that need to be addressed, as like Solo pointed out, the wear and tear on your endocrine/lymphatic/reproductive/respiratory systems.

My apologies if I stepped over the line with this initial post, my intent wasn't to give inappropriate advice. I was just putting my thoughts out there about something I'm interested in too.

JR

[MikeyFXD35]

But when we are talking about someone on TRT like myself, I will be taking test all the time. The question is at what does for how long. Do I stay at 250/mo and do 2 cycles? Do I do a 26weeks on 26weeks off, which I have read.

My baseline is 250/mo, gets a given. I have also read something similar to JR post, not quit as extreme but same concept off 6 weeks on 4 weeks off.

More my question is what is off and like faller said 200 - 300/week. So then what is on cycle? 500/wk not must of a step, so 600-800? During the 13 weeks I was just on I ran some orals. I am off those for a while but looking to play around with my test dose and test only.

If I run test only is it considered a cycle when I am taking it anyway? This is what I mean, when you are on TRT its not quite so black and white because you are always on.

[gsxr750]

1. How long to you go between cycles?

Usually the same ammount of time i've doubled my HRT dose.

2. Between cycles what dose of test are you taking?

Instead of 125mg a week I use 150mg 2x a week and add in some anavar

3. Do you bother with any PCT supplements?

I am prescribed 350iu 3x a week of HCG so I run that constantly, I also take finasteride helps with my hair and prostate and acne. Other than that, no.

I use UG for my HRT dose and the HG for the time when i'm at 300mg/week.

[Bowlcut]

2) I run 125mg/week. I get reg bloodwork and the docs are anal about keeping the test lower cause they don't want heart problems. Best dose though is prob 200mg a week because any higher kills my boners.

3) I will take letro while on cycle and keep some onhand in case of estrogen rebound or bloating.

[Solo59]

But when we are talking about someone on TRT like myself, I will be taking test all the time. The question is at what does for how long. Do I stay at 250/mo and do 2 cycles? Do I do a 26weeks on 26weeks off, which I have read.

My baseline is 250/mo, gets a given. I have also read something similar to JR post, not quit as extreme but same concept off 6 weeks on 4 weeks off.

More my question is what is off and like faller said 200 - 300/week. So then what is on cycle? 500/wk not must of a step, so 600-800? During the 13 weeks I was just on I ran some orals. I am off those for a while but looking to play around with my test dose and test only.

If I run test only is it considered a cycle when I am taking it anyway? This is what I mean, when you are on TRT its not quite so black and white because you are always on.

On-cycle is when you are taking enough exogenous testosterone or similar products to raise your testosterone above what is considered your natural level. Off-cycle is when you inject only enough exogenous testosterone to keep you at what is considered your natural level.

Solo

[RagingRandy]

1. How long to you go between cycles?
I usually run 3 months on and 3 months on HRT

2. Between cycles what dose of test are you taking?
I pin e3d while on or off. If I am using 250mg\cc I use .5 per pin while on HRT. I up it too 1.2 while on.

3. Do you bother with any PCT supplements?
I use some HCG if the boys get small and soft.

I keep letro on hand incase gyno flares up.

[faller]

More my question is what is off and like faller said 200 - 300/week. So then what is on cycle?

Guess i should have clarified my "on cycle".. I up the Test to about 500, not much of a jump but i add other compounds, that is my cycle.

[force]

1. no set time, just depends on how Im feeling/looking.

2. HRT Rx dose- 100mg enan/week, 500iu HCG 2x/week

3. No need since Im still taking test, but I take 10-20mg nolva daily just to keep any water retention at bay. even my TRT dose of test and HCG will make me hold a bit of water. when Im on cycle I run arimidex.