2nd cycle what am i missing

[Iwant2Grow]

So my first cycle was test 600mg wk for 16wks
all is well and I'm planning my second - bulking cycle

18 weeks

30mg/day dbol wk 3-8
600mg wk test cyp wk 1-18
400 mg wk deca wk 1-16

will do 500iu HCG a week through out along with .5mg adex eod
to keep the bloat done and the gyno away - how effective would aromasin be on this cycle for keeping bloat and gyno away ?

will also Keep Dostinex on hand for the deca gyno


was thinking about using clomid and aromasin for pct like this

wk 1- 100 mg/day clomid
wk 2-3 50 mg /day clomid
wk 1-4 25mg aromasin


Your feedback is always appreciated


CBB FTW!

[z83]

looks good, might bump the test @ 750mg ?

[C-money]

ya its looking pretty solid!

[nisser]

That's my exact cycle coming up in oct/nov, only 15 weeks though. :)

[Iwant2Grow]

Thanks all !!

I'm trying to keep things simple
so since I'm using aromasin for pct I was thinking using as my
anti -e while on (i need it for sure) what are your thoughts on this

Also about bumping up the test not sure about
that had pretty good results at 600mg so I'll build on that
never used deca b4 so I want a good base to go from

[canadianmuscle0803]

So my first cycle was test 600mg wk for 16wks
all is well and I'm planning my second - bulking cycle

18 weeks

30mg/day dbol wk 3-8
600mg wk test cyp wk 1-18
400 mg wk deca wk 1-16


deca is too low IMO.. needs to be 600mg.. test seems fine.. but why are you waiting until week 3 to start dbol? from my understanding the dbol should be used the first 3 to 4 weeks to allow the longer ester injectables to kick in and then just drop them.. can you explain this? also maybe up the test just a bit.. im a believer that test levels should always be higher then anything else in cycle.. keep in mind that when your shooting something like cyp due to the half life some of it basically becomes ineffective, so shooting 750mg a week would actually turn out to be around 600mg.. :)

[Iwant2Grow]

deca is too low IMO.. needs to be 600mg.. test seems fine.. but why are you waiting until week 3 to start dbol? from my understanding the dbol should be used the first 3 to 4 weeks to allow the longer ester injectables to kick in and then just drop them.. can you explain this? also maybe up the test just a bit.. im a believer that test levels should always be higher then anything else in cycle.. keep in mind that when your shooting something like cyp due to the half life some of it basically becomes ineffective, so shooting 750mg a week would actually turn out to be around 600mg.. :)


the idea for waiting till week three with the dbol is to get more of
of a synergy of both compounds and hopefully hold on to more of the gains from the dbol as my test will at better blood levels .


my only concern with running higher deca/test levels is that of sides

[canadianmuscle0803]

I just find deca to be rather useless as far as muscle building is concerned if its under 600mgs, but thats what i found anyways.. sides as in what? which side is of your main concern?

[theboss]

i think it looks good...
deca may be considered low by most, i would probably go 600mg even my 1st go with it.

[Iwant2Grow]

I just find deca to be rather useless as far as muscle building is concerned if its under 600mgs, but thats what i found anyways.. sides as in what? which side is of your main concern?

two concerns with Deca 1) progesterone never experienced gyno related to this nor do i want to too 2) not sure how i'm going to feel with this compound in my body and i thought cause it has such a long ester it was better to start low .

with a higher test dose say 750 mg/wk and the dbol my concern is that on a lower dose (600) i experienced gyno and because of the combo of test/dbol and the higher conversion to estrogen i just don't want to set my self up for problems - although the nova/adex more then sloved this b 4



i think it looks good...
deca may be considered low by most, i would probably go 600mg even my 1st go with it.


think ill let a few more people weigh in b4 i change this but its starting to look like

750wk test c
600 wk Deca
30mg/day DBOL

:bch

[PdH]

In your first cycle you've got a gram + dbol. IMO that's more than enough for a second cycle. I'm sure your gear is gtg, so why utilize more than you need. You'll make excellent gains if, as you know, diet is on and training is the heavy, blood vessel bursting type.

[Iwant2Grow]

In your first cycle you've got a gram + dbol. IMO that's more than enough for a second cycle. I'm sure your gear is gtg, so why utilize more than you need. You'll make excellent gains if, as you know, diet is on and training is the heavy, blood vessel bursting type.

Very true , have you had much experience with deca ?

seems 400mg is the min recommend dose



btw im 6'0'' 210 and 16% bf (currently cutting headed to 11% b4 the bulker)

[PdH]

Apart from Test E, Deca is my favorite AAS. Good to excellent gains and no sides at moderate dosages. I don't go over 300-400 mg per week with Deca as I don't think it's necessary. Back in the 80s, Deca came at 75 mg/ml so you'd have to do a shitload to get high weekly dosages. Nonetheless, people made excellent gains at moderate levels. It was HG, but I've experienced good quality UG Deca that was comparable.

I'm 5' 6.5" and 202 at a decent body fat level (you can kinda see my abs ;))
so I think 400 mg is fine for your height/weight ratio.

[gustavo77]

Cycle looks great as originally laid out...no need for 600mg of deca on your second cycle and 210lbs. Test @600mg/wk is fine also...no need to crazy with the doses, ****, it is your second cycle and you are 210lbs...go crazy with your diet...make sure you are getting 350-400grams of protein per day on cycle and these doses will work great.

Aromasin on cycle is great but it should be dosed ED, as it has a shorter half life than adex...start with 12.5mg of aromasin per day and go from there.

[Iwant2Grow]

Cycle looks great as originally laid out...no need for 600mg of deca on your second cycle and 210lbs. Test @600mg/wk is fine also...no need to crazy with the doses, ****, it is your second cycle and you are 210lbs...go crazy with your diet...make sure you are getting 350-400grams of protein per day on cycle and these doses will work great.

Aromasin on cycle is great but it should be dosed ED, as it has a shorter half life than adex...start with 12.5mg of aromasin per day and go from there.

Gus thanks for jumping here, your advice always works for me

with the aromasin if it came in 25mg caps should I to eat it E0D or should i just split the cap up ?

[gustavo77]

Gus thanks for jumping here, your advice always works for me

with the aromasin if it came in 25mg caps should I to eat it E0D or should i just split the cap up ?

Nope, just take the whole 25mg/day....aromasin has a relatively short half life...so it is not ideal for eod dosing...

[GYMBRAT]

Cycle looks great as originally laid out...no need for 600mg of deca on your second cycle and 210lbs. Test @600mg/wk is fine also...no need to crazy with the doses, ****, it is your second cycle and you are 210lbs...go crazy with your diet...make sure you are getting 350-400grams of protein per day on cycle and these doses will work great.

Aromasin on cycle is great but it should be dosed ED, as it has a shorter half life than adex...start with 12.5mg of aromasin per day and go from there.

I agree 100% with gustavo and PdH! absolutly no reason to go too high with the dosages for your second 3rd 4th etc cycles to be quite honest with you. Again jmo!

.......Very similar to my next actually

[Iwant2Grow]

thanks for all the feed back certainly makes it easier to plan things out with all the help i get from here

[Iwant2Grow]

1 more post Gus and you got 3000!

[CanadianEagle]

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[Iwant2Grow]

tren E


ahh what ?

[faller]

tren E

He's kidding, i hope..?

I like your original cycle Iwant2Grow, well thought out! I'm not a big fan of high dosed cycle's either, but than i don't have a lot of cycle's under my belt either..

[musclehead123]

get the most you can out of lower dosed cycles before moving on to high dosed cycles, I think for your second cycle you could get away with 500mg/ew of test. But in the end its up to you.

[Iwant2Grow]

Yeah lately i have been thinking test +dbol and eat like a ****ing champ
and save the deca for #3 .... probably still run the deca but i'm on the fence

what ever i do i'm going to fill my freezer so full of food b4 i even start that ill be eating a whole cow a and field of oats a week and train EXTRA heavy

:bch:bch:bch

[musclehead123]

Yeah lately i have been thinking test +dbol and eat like a ****ing champ
and save the deca for #3 .... probably still run the deca but i'm on the fence

what ever i do i'm going to fill my freezer so full of food b4 i even start that ill be eating a whole cow a and field of oats a week and train EXTRA heavy

:bch:bch:bch

chicken breast is on sale at safeway ;)

[Iwant2Grow]

chicken breast is on sale at safeway ;)

Last day of the sale limit of two per customer lolz

on my way there now !!

[GYMBRAT]

same here, got my two..... and just sent in a couple bros for a few more ha

[Iwant2Grow]

Just got back, got two as well almost made the wife go back in and get two more lolz