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cdnsoldier
09-09-2009, 03:49 PM
Been using this for a few weeks now and all I can say is WOW!
I am getting better results than the blue tops. Unbelievable. wish I had jumped on this one sooner.

LIVEHARD
09-09-2009, 03:52 PM
Been using this for a few weeks now and all I can say is WOW!
I am getting better results than the blue tops. Unbelievable. wish I had jumped on this one sooner.

Tell us more bro !!!!!!!!!!!!

cdnsoldier
09-09-2009, 04:23 PM
Tell us more bro !!!!!!!!!!!!

Look up GRF 1-29 NH 2. That's what most guys are selling it as.

tiramisu
09-09-2009, 05:17 PM
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=18046908

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2898924?ordinalpos=42&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

hyperlite32
09-09-2009, 06:15 PM
what is your dose? How often? Why is it better than blues?

TryGear
09-09-2009, 07:58 PM
Ok I don't know all the lingo yet.....blue tops??

daande
09-09-2009, 09:07 PM
Ok I don't know all the lingo yet.....blue tops??

Generic Human Growth Hormone.

daande
09-09-2009, 09:09 PM
Why is it better than blues?

I am assuming these work like CJC1295 and GHRP's. I have heard some people argue that your own body's GH is more effective than synthetic GH.

cdnsoldier
09-09-2009, 09:31 PM
I am assuming these work like CJC1295 and GHRP's. I have heard some people argue that your own body's GH is more effective than synthetic GH.

No, I don't think it's a Rseasearch Chem since I found clinics throughout the world that administer this instead of HGH.


Question: Is Sermorelin the same thing as human growth hormone (hGH)?

Dr. Richard Walker: No, it is a growth hormone secretagogue, which means that it stimulates the pituitary gland to produce and secrete hGH. Sermorelin is a small peptide containing only 29 amino acids whereas hGH is a much larger molecule containing 191 amino acids.


To be honest it seems a more potent 'fixer upper' than HGH so far. My only issue which I am studying is how will it work for the under 30 crowd? I wish more was written on this.

cdnsoldier
09-09-2009, 09:33 PM
what is your dose? How often? Why is it better than blues?

I follow this guys advice and treat is like HGH:


Question: Are the effective dosages of hGH and Sermorelin comparable?

Dr. Richard Walker: Although the molecules work at different sites in the body (hGH at the liver and Sermorelin at the pituitary), the amount of material needed to be effective in raising serum IGF-1 are approximately the same. hGH is generally prescribed in daily doses of one or two international units (IU) while Sermorelin is prescribed in micrograms. However, one IU is equal to 333 micrograms so the weight of effective dosages is approximately between 300 and 600 micrograms per day. The recommended dosages for Sermorelin are between 200 to 500 micrograms per day; a range which is comparable to that for hGH.

kloan
09-09-2009, 09:45 PM
Is this the same stuff that CMS sells?

If you were dosing 500mcg/day, how many would you get from 2mg?

EDIT: oh, it's 4.... $110 for 4 days?

O-Train
09-09-2009, 09:48 PM
Sermorelin is what they changed in the lab to create CJC-1295. It's also called GRF1-29.

ryankely
09-09-2009, 10:57 PM
Sermorelin is what they changed in the lab to create CJC-1295. It's also called GRF1-29.

Exactly, sermorelin/GRF1-29 is modified Cjc-1295. You would still be better off with cjc as the half life is about a week. Modified GRF-1 has a half life of a couple hours. Anyway we are back to the debate of how much, for how long, and are you stacking with Ghrp-6. I was just going to do a pct with this combo, but now my interest has peaked enough that I am going to do an all out cycle. 6 month, 100mcg Cjc-1295 3x/day with 250mcg Ghrp-6 3x/day. I believe from my research that this will be like a good 6iu/day gh run.

cdnsoldier
10-09-2009, 01:15 AM
Exactly, sermorelin/GRF1-29 is modified Cjc-1295. You would still be better off with cjc as the half life is about a week. Modified GRF-1 has a half life of a couple hours. Anyway we are back to the debate of how much, for how long, and are you stacking with Ghrp-6. I was just going to do a pct with this combo, but now my interest has peaked enough that I am going to do an all out cycle. 6 month, 100mcg Cjc-1295 3x/day with 250mcg Ghrp-6 3x/day. I believe from my research that this will be like a good 6iu/day gh run.

Yeah but CJC1295 has a modification on the 4 substitutions on positions 2, 8, 15 and 27. Whereas sermorelin doesn't. And there is the pesky issue of the few deaths during the study on CJC1295 (or one, I can't remember).

Sermorelin stimulates the pituitary gland to release growth hormone similiar to natural occuring HGH. I wouldn't give up safety for the longer half life of CJC1295 and the fact that HGH clinics are embracing Sermorelin seals it for me.

kloan
10-09-2009, 01:33 AM
Is Sermorelin legally available?

ryankely
10-09-2009, 02:04 AM
Yeah but CJC1295 has a modification on the 4 substitutions on positions 2, 8, 15 and 27. Whereas sermorelin doesn't. And there is the pesky issue of the few deaths during the study on CJC1295 (or one, I can't remember).

Sermorelin stimulates the pituitary gland to release growth hormone similiar to natural occuring HGH. I wouldn't give up safety for the longer half life of CJC1295 and the fact that HGH clinics are embracing Sermorelin seals it for me.
Their was a couple deaths but patients were already sick. All GHRH kind of do the same thing. From what i understand most Cjc-1295 is actually GFR1-29 anyway. I am going to dose daily anyway along with the ghrp-6 to get the most spike and pulse possible.

cdnsoldier
10-09-2009, 03:59 AM
Their was a couple deaths but patients were already sick. All GHRH kind of do the same thing. From what i understand most Cjc-1295 is actually GFR1-29 anyway. I am going to dose daily anyway along with the ghrp-6 to get the most spike and pulse possible.

Ok I would like to see how that goes.I have never combined them with GHRP-6. Report back to us. I might give them both a shot next time round.

pseclint
10-09-2009, 11:32 AM
interesting stuff

greekgod
10-09-2009, 02:51 PM
Is this the same stuff that CMS sells?

If you were dosing 500mcg/day, how many would you get from 2mg?

EDIT: oh, it's 4.... $110 for 4 days?

BUMP, I would like to know the answer to this as well.

ryankely
10-09-2009, 03:45 PM
BUMP, I would like to know the answer to this as well.

With Cjc-1295 100mcg/day is considered an anti-ageing dose. 300mcg/day is a bodybuliding dose. So if you go right in the middle(200mcg/day) and get the 5 bottle special=$325 for 50 days.

ryankely
10-09-2009, 03:48 PM
I would also say if you can't afford 150 days worth of cjc and ghrp-6 don't bother.

GYMBRAT
10-09-2009, 03:55 PM
I agree, I've been seriously looking into this myself, sorta like Sly Stallone ..lol

ryankely
10-09-2009, 04:24 PM
yes, you have to run it like you would GH. Long, Long, time.

greekgod
10-09-2009, 04:25 PM
I am tempted to just use ghrp-6 by itself. Stacking different peptides together gets very expensive.

greekgod
10-09-2009, 04:27 PM
I would also say if you can't afford 150 days worth of cjc and ghrp-6 don't bother.

I was thinking of doing it for 3-4 months as a bridge between cycles. These peptides are supposed to work much faster that HGH so I don't see why I would need to run for such a long time.

ryankely
10-09-2009, 04:49 PM
From my studies and the people I have talked to that use it, they agree that ghrp-6 by itself is not that great. Together with Cjc-1295 it multiplies the effect. Cjc-1295 tell's the pituitary to initiate gh release and Ghrp-6 tell's the somatostatin hormone not to stop it. Why do you think that peptides will work faster than Gh? Basically doing the same thing. Dose would be the deciding factor.

greekgod
10-09-2009, 05:02 PM
From my studies and the people I have talked to that use it, they agree that ghrp-6 by itself is not that great. Together with Cjc-1295 it multiplies the effect. Cjc-1295 tell's the pituitary to initiate gh release and Ghrp-6 tell's the somatostatin hormone not to stop it. Why do you think that peptides will work faster than Gh? Basically doing the same thing. Dose would be the deciding factor.

The reason I think it works faster is because I have read posts where people said they started to feel the effects within the first couple of weeks. Honestly, I have never used HGH but I have heard it can take months before noticing any real results.

I may try doing ghrp-6 100mcg 3x day. I am debating if I should add cjc-1295 or grf 1-29. I've read that they give similar results if used everyday. Is the "ghrf1-29" on cndmedsupplies the same as grf 1-29? I'm wondering if they make a typo.

ryankely
10-09-2009, 07:03 PM
The reason I think it works faster is because I have read posts where people said they started to feel the effects within the first couple of weeks. Honestly, I have never used HGH but I have heard it can take months before noticing any real results.

I may try doing ghrp-6 100mcg 3x day. I am debating if I should add cjc-1295 or grf 1-29. I've read that they give similar results if used everyday. Is the "ghrf1-29" on cndmedsupplies the same as grf 1-29? I'm wondering if they make a typo.

Yes same thing,Cjc-1295 is just modified ghrf1-29, cjc has a half life of about a week, 1-29 is a couple hours.(so 1-29 has to be injected daily) If money is a problem you could add the cjc,say 250mcg 2x/week.

physique
10-09-2009, 07:18 PM
The reason I think it works faster is because I have read posts where people said they started to feel the effects within the first couple of weeks. Honestly, I have never used HGH but I have heard it can take months before noticing any real results.

I may try doing ghrp-6 100mcg 3x day. I am debating if I should add cjc-1295 or grf 1-29. I've read that they give similar results if used everyday. Is the "ghrf1-29" on cndmedsupplies the same as grf 1-29? I'm wondering if they make a typo.

yes its the same stuff

kloan
10-09-2009, 10:22 PM
ah that answers another question i had...

its actually not so bad if its bought in bulk.. does end up being cheaper than hGH.

cprom185
10-09-2009, 10:33 PM
would you need to PCT for this stuff?