9/11 8 years already

[Mr.Freeze]

in 3 days already 8 years have pass since the ****er(Bush) bring dowh those building :mad:

[meathelmet]

still makes me sick thinking about it, i was in grade 9 when it happened. you cant blame just bush either, there were cia, fbi agents, demolitions experts, inside people. every one of them deserves a red hot poker up the urethra(or vagina) and a first class ticket on a plane diving straight for the ocean

[waderow]

Lol. Since when did bush become a Muslim fanatic?

I recall the event very well and I seem to recall a whole herd of angry sociopathic inbred camel ****ers hijacking a few jet liners and slamming then into buildings......

Were u high or something?

;)

[gicantor]

do we really have to go down this road again........

Was it bushes hidden agenda, or was it camel jockeys with a plan. I don't know and probably never will, however I am inclined to believe the people that have nothing to gain from telling their story.

And that would be the first responders, ems, fire, police and any crazy mother****er that had the balls to run into that building to help someone. If they said there were explosions in the basement and ground floors, those are the people I believe.

May god watch over those who were lost.:(

[_Ragnar_]

Lol. Since when did bush become a Muslim fanatic?

I recall the event very well and I seem to recall a whole herd of angry sociopathic inbred camel ****ers hijacking a few jet liners and slamming then into buildings......

Were u high or something?

;)

x2

[waderow]

And that would be the first responders, ems, fire, police and any crazy mother****er that had the balls to run into that building to help someone. If they said there were explosions in the basement and ground floors, those are the people I believe.

May god watch over those who were lost.:(

any links? all i have ever heard is conspiracy theorists with liberal agendas spout this crap


what I believe is LOGIC.

you guys claim the "monkey" and "dumb ****" bush is a mastermind, who somehow managed to pull off the biggest coverup the world will ever see, in a government that cant even keep a blow job secret! A task that would involve engineers and contractors and would have leaked a thousand times over resulting in hangings for the officials involved.

Get off the weed guys! lol


I love you all but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[waderow]

May god watch over those who were lost.:(

this is all that needs to be said

green

[thesizzler]

Do you really think Bush brought down those buildings?

[meathelmet]

Haha i am completely sober guys, just one question, why did building WTC Building 7 fall down when absolutely nothing hit it or even came close to it? looks like a very controlled demolition to me. i dont want to make an argument, lots of people died and it was a horrible day for everyone in north america. it really makes you wonder though...

[waderow]

Haha i am completely sober guys, just one question, why did building WTC Building 7 fall down when absolutely nothing hit it or even came close to it? looks like a very controlled demolition to me. i dont want to make an argument, lots of people died and it was a horrible day for everyone in north america. it really makes you wonder though...

structural reactions cannot be measured, or cannot be referenced in ANY engineering textbook on earth pertaining to jet plane impacts on structural steel/concrete hybrid buildings. In fact, there is not an engineer on earth with the education that could pre 9/11 put his stamp on a reaction from such an event.

some michael moore video which shows unexplained lights and dust is only discussion for the garage and a fatty

[Mr.Freeze]

Haha i am completely sober guys, just one question, why did building WTC Building 7 fall down when absolutely nothing hit it or even came close to it? looks like a very controlled demolition to me. i dont want to make an argument, lots of people died and it was a horrible day for everyone in north america. it really makes you wonder though...

Bingo! building #7 says it all...

[Mr.Freeze]

any links? all i have ever heard is conspiracy theorists with liberal agendas spout this crap


what I believe is LOGIC.

you guys claim the "monkey" and "dumb ****" bush is a mastermind, who somehow managed to pull off the biggest coverup the world will ever see, in a government that cant even keep a blow job secret! A task that would involve engineers and contractors and would have leaked a thousand times over resulting in hangings for the officials involved.

Get off the weed guys! lol


I love you all but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck


here you go

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[meathelmet]

excellent movie man, never underestimate the mind of a man(men) in power...

[Mad-Bull]

Beat me to posting that video, time to wake up

[Beachmuscle]

He never brought the buildings down, but he let it happen.

[thetorontodude]

I watched a show on the cbc on building seven and it got hit with tons of flaming debree when the tc went down; there is only a tiny bit of footage that shows the damage and we usually only see the side of the 7th tower that was untouched after the tc went down. But I will also admit that it looks like a controlled demo for sure.

I think the information on the pentagon "plane" crash stinks. Whatever hit it was not a plane.

As well, why does it take 7 years to finish and release a report on what happened to wtc 7?

[BAM]

in 3 days already 8 years have pass since the ****er(Bush) bring dowh those building :mad:

*cough* Israel

Oh wait.. thats the same thing as the US government

[waderow]

those silly videos that are out on conspiracy are propaganda designed to sway the unintelligent masses

[LIVEHARD]

in 3 days already 8 years have pass since the ****er(Bush) bring dowh those building :mad:

I was there It was F'ked up to say the least

Two of us showed on request up with two gen-sets ( generators )and a wack of LX ( huge lighting fixtures)

I guess our lighting is bigger and brighter than anything a fire dept had

[ironwill]

those silly videos that are out on conspiracy are propaganda designed to sway the unintelligent masses

Or to be used to help show folks with open minds that we are not as safe as we all believe we are, and that govt especially in america are monsters with an agenda, that is now failing them in a very big way.....
pull your head out of the sand....:p
i love you and all but geeeeeze

[bigtavi8]

Been 8 years but i can still remember the shock i felt even as a young kid the first time i seen the video of the towers being destroyed. It just made the western world feel like...****KK.. we are not nearly as safe as we thought.

[waderow]

Or to be used to help show folks with open minds that we are not as safe as we all believe we are, and that govt especially in america are monsters with an agenda, that is now failing them in a very big way.....
pull your head out of the sand....:p
i love you and all but geeeeeze

lol come on. It would be impossible to fake such an event. Absolutely impossible. Not even close to being the slightest bit imaginably possible.

1. The government has every tom dick and harry looking to make a legacy for themselves, and an operation (albeit impossible) of this magnitude would involve thousands. We are talking engineers. Shit, engineering companies and consultants. Stantec would have to employ 100 engineers for a year to plan this one out and run through all the reactions, delays, and contingency. Government themselves would have to have many people involved to oversee this monstrous conspiracy event, and then you have the demo contractors who need to be invisible, and core in thousands of charges for an implosion event, in a building that is finished. Finished meaning drywalled and painted. You would need to rip that shit down, place charges, and then drywall, tape and repaint the disturbed shit.... all in the course of a night or a long weekend (not possible) and in a building like that you have people in the building at all hours anyways. It is completely ****ing RETARDED to think that the building was demolished by demolition teams after well documented air liner strikes, and the whole time, not one person blew the whistle.
In fact, what happened was: the impacts weakened structural members in the buildings, and compounded with intense fire, one or even a few floors collapsed onto themselves overwhelming design loads on the floors beneath causing a chain reaction which collapsed further floors creating a compounding excess loading condition which eventually created point load shocks that caused the building to fail in its entirety catastrophically.
No explosives. No missiles. No sinister evil presidents. No conspiracy. No CIA. Merely Jet liners and camel ****ers.

2. Not one credible lead back to USA or Israel. Just the atypical crybabies like Michale Moore,, and a few other eccentric Liberals yelling "conspiracy".

3. The surrounding buildings were more likely effected by the collapse, and in fact were obviously and evidently affected. Not demo'd. Why demo those buildings anyways? Did you conspiracy theorists ever ask what the point would be?

4. Al-Qaida was already proven to have undertaken the attack, and was predominantly planned out by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who has confessed to the planning.

[meathelmet]

The twin towers were only a part of the picture, anyone with two working eyes can see the rest of the deception behind everything else which just tears the governments story and credibility to shreds. I know they could prove they did not do it with a few key pieces of evidence yet they are hidden from nearly everyone in the world. Nation leaders perform acts of terrorism on their own people every day the only difference is in the USA they do it in business suits and TRY to cover it up.

[Mr.Freeze]

lol come on. It would be impossible to fake such an event. Absolutely impossible. Not even close to being the slightest bit imaginably possible.

1. The government has every tom dick and harry looking to make a legacy for themselves, and an operation (albeit impossible) of this magnitude would involve thousands. We are talking engineers. Shit, engineering companies and consultants. Stantec would have to employ 100 engineers for a year to plan this one out and run through all the reactions, delays, and contingency. Government themselves would have to have many people involved to oversee this monstrous conspiracy event, and then you have the demo contractors who need to be invisible, and core in thousands of charges for an implosion event, in a building that is finished. Finished meaning drywalled and painted. You would need to rip that shit down, place charges, and then drywall, tape and repaint the disturbed shit.... all in the course of a night or a long weekend (not possible) and in a building like that you have people in the building at all hours anyways. It is completely ****ing RETARDED to think that the building was demolished by demolition teams after well documented air liner strikes, and the whole time, not one person blew the whistle.
In fact, what happened was: the impacts weakened structural members in the buildings, and compounded with intense fire, one or even a few floors collapsed onto themselves overwhelming design loads on the floors beneath causing a chain reaction which collapsed further floors creating a compounding excess loading condition which eventually created point load shocks that caused the building to fail in its entirety catastrophically.
No explosives. No missiles. No sinister evil presidents. No conspiracy. No CIA. Merely Jet liners and camel ****ers.

2. Not one credible lead back to USA or Israel. Just the atypical crybabies like Michale Moore,, and a few other eccentric Liberals yelling "conspiracy".

3. The surrounding buildings were more likely effected by the collapse, and in fact were obviously and evidently affected. Not demo'd. Why demo those buildings anyways? Did you conspiracy theorists ever ask what the point would be?

4. Al-Qaida was already proven to have undertaken the attack, and was predominantly planned out by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who has confessed to the planning.

It would be impossible to fake such an event?? lolol

then Larry Silverstein(owner of the World Trade Centers) must know a bit of what happen that day here what he got to say.


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[waderow]

pull what? pull the special secret button out of the drawer and press it and the secret imaginary demo charges go off?

or perhaps pull the firefighters out of the danger area?

[Mr.Freeze]

you've got to be kidding?? :shock

[waderow]

you've got to be kidding?? :shock

serious.... pull what? I do not understand the point of your video

[CanadianIron]

I think its pretty obvious to tell that 9/11 was a legitimate terrorist attack. Everyone who flew before 9/11 would recognize how vulnerable plains are/were.

I remember standing infront of the front lavatory when the pilots would open the cockpit door to use it as well, i remember thinking "wow, i could just walk in there"... Just think of how easily any one determined person could mess up the city around them. Shit, i could go park under the flight path of the local airport with a few semi-auto rifles and take shots at the incoming flights and there is literally nothing in place to stop me.

If you think flights are safe now, just look at that recent mexico highjacking.

Odds dictated that this would happen and it will happen again, its just a matter of time, but sure as shit people will say its impossible and call it a conspiracy... it isnt, we're just THAT vulnerable.

[CanadianIron]

It would be impossible to fake such an event?? lolol

then Larry Silverstein(owner of the World Trade Centers) must know a bit of what happen that day here what he got to say.


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Its a figure of speak "pull the plug" ie.. stop wasting man power on trying to save a building that is burning out of control.

If 2 of the largest buildings in the world fell on the ground immediately next to another small tower, would you expect the foundation of the neighbouring building to be uneffected? Those towers coming down would have been like an earthquake, im surprised more buildings didnt fall down from the combination of shaking, air pressure and flames.

Gravity dictates that all objects will fall down, in order for the building to look like an "uncontrolled demolishing" would you expect it to fly off to the side? As soon as any structural member of a modern day building collapses, it is going to fail completely, the beams have no strength unless they're verticle, that is why the building first tips left (you can almost see how on one side, one floor gives out), then caves right in on itself. The momentous energy involved in a single lower floor collapse is unstoppable, its like jumping on a scale, if you jump up an inch and come back down your weigh is 2X higher than just standing. Same goes for a building, once a floor gives out, the entire building starts coming down and each floor is unable to support its designed load.

[waderow]

thank god... I thought I was the only one with a logical common sense view of the matter

[meathelmet]

Can anyone explain the visible slag on the steel members from the thermite burning through them? I am a metalworker and use torches to cut metal all the time and have experimented with thermite before, the cuts were painfully obviously caused by thermite charges as per the slag residue all over the cuts, any welder on this board will agree and pictures can be found all over the internet. If it is a done deal that the government had nothing to do with it then why so many discrepancies in the professional theories??? I guess only terrorists can defy the laws of physics and cause 2inch thick steel with a melting point of 2700F to be melted by an 800-1500F fire in a short period of time and there most definitely was melted steel. There are many educational videos and resources out there about much more than 9/11 that show the incredible deception and control of governing bodies and I believe once one understands those, one can truly put the pieces together and form a stronger view, but until then there will be a lot of eye poking and arguments about whos right and whos wrong. R.I.P TO ALL THAT NEEDLESSLY PERISHED ON 9/11 AND MAY YOUR DEATHS BE AVENGED ONE DAY BY ALL WHO CARE ENOUGH TO FIND AN ANSWER AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST THOSE RESPONSIBLE

[gicantor]

^^^ damn right brother. Another metalworker that knows his shit.

Welders FTW!!!

[canadianmuscle0803]

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[ironwill]

^^^ damn right brother. Another metalworker that knows his shit.

Welders FTW!!!
oy.....im a millwright, and welder.....and bossman....meh, i dont know...who am i to say if all these other experts cant figure it out...

[gicantor]

oy.....im a millwright, and welder.....and bossman....meh, i dont know...who am i to say if all these other experts cant figure it out...

they should have sent me to ground zero. I would have got to the bottom of it;)

[waderow]

Can anyone explain the visible slag on the steel members from the thermite burning through them? I am a metalworker and use torches to cut metal all the time and have experimented with thermite before, the cuts were painfully obviously caused by thermite charges as per the slag residue all over the cuts, any welder on this board will agree and pictures can be found all over the internet. If it is a done deal that the government had nothing to do with it then why so many discrepancies in the professional theories??? I guess only terrorists can defy the laws of physics and cause 2inch thick steel with a melting point of 2700F to be melted by an 800-1500F fire in a short period of time and there most definitely was melted steel. There are many educational videos and resources out there about much more than 9/11 that show the incredible deception and control of governing bodies and I believe once one understands those, one can truly put the pieces together and form a stronger view, but until then there will be a lot of eye poking and arguments about whos right and whos wrong. R.I.P TO ALL THAT NEEDLESSLY PERISHED ON 9/11 AND MAY YOUR DEATHS BE AVENGED ONE DAY BY ALL WHO CARE ENOUGH TO FIND AN ANSWER AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST THOSE RESPONSIBLE

who saw them, when did they see them, and where?

if there were cuts, it was probably from clean up crews, and just another spin by michael moore.

Once again, this could not have happened. Impossible. Read my posts

[UkrainianGuy]

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/usa/images/new-york/nyc/trinity-church/resized/ext-with-wtc-lights-9-11-07-cc-barry-yanowitz.jpg

[buildinthaskinnys]

who saw them, when did they see them, and where?

if there were cuts, it was probably from clean up crews, and just another spin by michael moore.

Once again, this could not have happened. Impossible. Read my posts

You might recall, that the day of the attack the building was almost vacant containing about 3000 people, on a typical day there would have been almost 50000 people, many of the floors were vacant. The so called not high people should think about it, this wasnt an attack on america, but the world economy more than anything else.

[BAM]

911 Missing Links - Reloaded
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[tex]

conspiracy morons.....what a crock of shit......you dishonor those who died by subscribing to such idiotic theories with no shred of proof..........ppl these days are soo goddamn gullible they believe any left-wing bullshit that comes out......

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."


and


Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air — along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse — was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."

Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."

[waderow]

Wow
Because they evacuated after the jet impacts. Those that died were trapped or were rescuers....or were on the ground..... Jesus


You might recall, that the day of the attack the building was almost vacant containing about 3000 people, on a typical day there would have been almost 50000 people, many of the floors were vacant. The so called not high people should think about it, this wasnt an attack on america, but the world economy more than anything else.

[Mr.Freeze]

you pretty much sound like Carl :laugh