Sweating like a whore in church...

[tiramisu]

Test e 250 mg eod
NPP 100 mg eod
Tbol 50 mg ed

gh 2.5iu's ed
slin 5 iu's ed



Day 24

I'm up 17 pounds in 24 days.

I'm seeing some fairly significant strength increases and my muscles are definitely holding water. Very full and hard. Fairly visibly dramatic. I'm also having to work around back pumps when squatting.

Unlike the tren night sweats this doesn't seem to be blood sugar related. I am soaking wet at the slightest temperature change or physical exertion.

I will be dropping the NPP/Tbol at day 42, runnig test only for 2 weeks and then starting up on tren for 6 more weeks.

I've been checking my BP weekly and while up it's still in the healthy range.


Any suggestions for managing this side through the next 3 weeks would be appreciated.

[wan2lrn]

Shouldn't the Npp be done EOD? This should help in keeping your blood levels stable.

[Solo59]

Avoid church?:rolleyes:

Solo

[tiramisu]

Shouldn't the Npp be done EOD? This should help in keeping your blood levels stable.


sorry injects of both test e and npp are eod. I just rounded up.

[tiramisu]

Avoid church?:rolleyes:

Solo

Now if only I could avoid mowing the lawn. Any other useful suggestions?

[tex]

i sweat like a freak on npp......i had 2 fans blowing on me when i slept and still soaked the bed.....

[C-money]

Ive been sweating like a fiend this time around.. im thinking its the eq.. not sure

[LIVEHARD]

Test e 250 mg eod
NPP 100 mg eod
Tbol 50 mg ed

gh 2.5iu's ed
slin 5 iu's ed



Day 24

I'm up 17 pounds in 24 days.

I'm seeing some fairly significant strength increases and my muscles are definitely holding water. Very full and hard. Fairly visibly dramatic. I'm also having to work around back pumps when squatting.

Unlike the tren night sweats this doesn't seem to be blood sugar related. I am soaking wet at the slightest temperature change or physical exertion.

I will be dropping the NPP/Tbol at day 42, runnig test only for 2 weeks and then starting up on tren for 6 more weeks.

I've been checking my BP weekly and while up it's still in the healthy range.


Any suggestions for managing this side through the next 3 weeks would be appreciated.

Take care bro F'k I heard whore in a church Sorry My bad LOL

[PdH]

NPP makes me sweat a ridiculous amount to. Not sure what to do to remedy the matter.

[JonnyO]

Im sure the addition of 17 pounds in 24 days plays more of a role than the NPP or anything else. Drop some of the H20 retention you should be fine.

[tiramisu]

Im sure the addition of 17 pounds in 24 days plays more of a role than the NPP or anything else. Drop some of the H20 retention you should be fine.

So this begs the question of how to drop the water?

Aromasin doesn't help. Currently doing 25 mg twice a week.

I assume adex/nolvadex would be in the same class as aromasin and that the problem is progesterone rather than estrogen (This is a question???)


Diet? I can drop carbs and go keto - This should let me dump a fair bit of water but I worry a bit that without the carbs I'm limiting the muscle I'm going to build.


Other?

[tiramisu]

... after a bit of reading, I seeing bro science references to 1 mg / day nolvadex to every 20 mg/week nandrolone.

... so I will give nolva a shot and see if I can dump some of the water.

[gicantor]

I don't know man, I thought nolva just blocked estro at the breast tissue. How is that going to help drop water?

were you running a anti-progesteronic ?

[tiramisu]

I don't know man, I thought nolva just blocked estro at the breast tissue. How is that going to help drop water?

were you running a anti-progesteronic ?

Why proviron/nolvadex are being recommended for deca bloat is not entirely clear to me. I do know aromasin is not keeping the water off.

I've taken 40 mg's of nolvadex as an experiment and will see if I dump water or not. If I do I will do some more research.

a) http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showpost.php?p=425034&postcount=48

b) http://www.freakzonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25953

"An anti-estrogen is likewise rarely needed with Deca, gynecomastia only a worry among sensitive individuals. At the same time water retention is not a usual concern. This effect can occur however, but is most often related to higher dosages. The addition of Proviron and/or Nolvadex should prove sufficient enough to significantly reduce any occurrence."

[gicantor]

Deca is a progestin (as are all nandrolones), unfortunately; it happens to stimulate the progesterone receptor 20% as well as progesterone itself (3), and this opens the door for many possible unwanted side effects (water retention, acne, etc...)

I´d also recommend taking an anti-progesteronic drug with deca (or at least having it on hand): Cabergoline and Bromocriptine are both good choices

member complain of water-retention with this drug, and again, I´m inclined to agree. Letrozole seems to be a preferred choice to combat this, and it´s my favorite for this use. This water retention would seem to make Deca more suitable for bulking rather than cutting, although it can be successfully used for either.

^^^quotes from steroid.com.

The way I understand it, Aromasin is a weak AI but easy of the lipid profile, Adex is a little stronger AI than aromasin, and letro is the grand daddy of them all.

Nolva will only block estro at the receptors but it will still be circulating in your blood.

You might be better off just stepping up to .5mg adex ED or 1mg

[tiramisu]

I've got adex on hand as well.
I ran adex effectively w/ tren, test previously.

I switched to aromasin to protect the hdl this cycle.

Will check the scale in the morning to see if the nolva has any effect and switch to adex through the week and monitor the results.

[gicantor]

Sounds good bro

[z83]

aromasin should be used ED 12.5-25mg

Active Life: 24-30 hours (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6055)

[tiramisu]

... so at a minimum I am underdosing using Aromasin without regard to whether it's going to be effective for bloat in this case.

definite cluster ****.

I had things working with the adex and thought I would reduce the negative lipid aspects with aromasin but have definitely ****ed the pooch on this one.

So backing out one step further I probably need to

a) up the dosage of Aromasin to an effective dose and determine whether it reduces bloat

b) if that doesn't work go back to the adex and see what happens.

By the time neither work or one does it will be time to drop the npp and switch to tren where I pretty much know what works for me.

Thanks for the inputs guys.

[collin]

Test e 250 mg eod
NPP 100 mg eod
Tbol 50 mg ed

gh 2.5iu's ed
slin 5 iu's ed



Day 24

I'm up 17 pounds in 24 days.

I'm seeing some fairly significant strength increases and my muscles are definitely holding water. Very full and hard. Fairly visibly dramatic. I'm also having to work around back pumps when squatting.

Unlike the tren night sweats this doesn't seem to be blood sugar related. I am soaking wet at the slightest temperature change or physical exertion.

I will be dropping the NPP/Tbol at day 42, runnig test only for 2 weeks and then starting up on tren for 6 more weeks.

I've been checking my BP weekly and while up it's still in the healthy range.


Any suggestions for managing this side through the next 3 weeks would be appreciated.

sweating like a whore in church LMFAO

[gicantor]

... so at a minimum I am underdosing using Aromasin without regard to whether it's going to be effective for bloat in this case.

definite cluster ****.

I had things working with the adex and thought I would reduce the negative lipid aspects with aromasin but have definitely ****ed the pooch on this one.

So backing out one step further I probably need to

a) up the dosage of Aromasin to an effective dose and determine whether it reduces bloat

b) if that doesn't work go back to the adex and see what happens.

By the time neither work or one does it will be time to drop the npp and switch to tren where I pretty much know what works for me.

Thanks for the inputs guys.


No cluster ****. I would just up the aromasin like you said to 12.5mg ED. It may take a few days to see a difference it needs time to stabilize in you blood. FYI I'm running a very similar cycle to you right now with no bloat. Maybe this will help.

300mg prop kickstart+300mg NPP EW for 4 weeks
750mg cyp + 300mg NPP EW
12.5mg aromasin EOD
500mcg dostenix 2X week
HCG 500IU's 2X week

I recently dropped the NPP and lowered test to 500mg but had no bloat the whole time.

[JonnyO]

Try 2 tabs a day of the Aromasin. Your using GH as well so that and Nolva are not good together. You could also watch your carbs at night, not sure what your diets like, but maybe having a carb cutoff and adding in some cardio or maybe even sweat it out in the sauna/steam room will help some as well. I know what its like when I get past a certain weight I sweat like hell (and I dont carry much water/bloat) and its uncomfortable going out anywhere, especially when trying to dress nice. Its usually just sweats or shorts and t-shirts year round for me.

[C-money]

Try 2 tabs a day of the Aromasin. Your using GH as well so that and Nolva are not good together. You could also watch your carbs at night, not sure what your diets like, but maybe having a carb cutoff and adding in some cardio or maybe even sweat it out in the sauna/steam room will help some as well. I know what its like when I get past a certain weight I sweat like hell (and I dont carry much water/bloat) and its uncomfortable going out anywhere, especially when trying to dress nice. Its usually just sweats or shorts and t-shirts year round for me.

Yeah im the same way JO, shorts and t-shirts for the win! It just sucks having a gf thats always cold ha