Clenbuterol effects?

[harry68]

My wife is trying some Clen caps at 50mcgs each. She took one first thing in the morning and nothing happened, an hour later she took another one and still nothing. She said she got very tired in the afternoon and when she got home from work she laid down and passed out for 2 hours. I haven't heard of a side effect like this! Has anyone else heard of this? Should she try 150mcgs tomorrow?

[rated_rko]

wat lab?

[Mr Ontario]

Everyone reacts differently....give it some time....females using any sort of gear react differently from most. Be careful.

[Andre]

My wife is trying some Clen caps at 50mcgs each. She took one first thing in the morning and nothing happened, an hour later she took another one and still nothing. She said she got very tired in the afternoon and when she got home from work she laid down and passed out for 2 hours. I haven't heard of a side effect like this! Has anyone else heard of this? Should she try 150mcgs tomorrow?

Passing out is never a good sign... if you love your wife, please do not have tripple the dose to see what happens...

I am shaking my head in disbelief as I am reading this!

[Andre]

Everyone reacts differently....give it some time....females using any sort of gear react differently from most. Be careful.

Keeping in mind, clen is not gear... it's a bronchodilator... it would be like calling ephedrine gear, which in mind it's not...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol

Clenbuterol is approved for use in some countries (via prescription only) as a bronchodilator for asthma patients.[citation needed] Recently though, the drug has been publicized for its off-label use as a weight loss drug. It is commonly used as a slimming aid despite lack of sufficient clinical evidence supporting such use[1].

With many major diet review websites talking about clenbuterol, and given its accessibility via the internet, the drug is widely used as a "dietary supplement". In fact, nowadays it is recommended by many physical trainers as the primary solution for those bodybuilders who desire to achieve sufficiently low body fat in order to look "cut". In many cases, it is introduced into the training regime not as an illegal drug, but simply as a weight loss aid. This reduces some of the negative connotations attached to illicit drug use and thereby decreases any hesitation to take the drug on the part of the trainee.

[Mr Ontario]

Let me refrase that if we want it to be politically correct.

females using any sort of compound without a doctors approval/supervision should be extra careful whether it is gear or bronchodilator as Andre points out.

Point being be extra careful :)



Keeping in mind, clen is not gear... it's a bronchodilator... it would be like calling ephedrine gear, which in mind it's not...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol

Clenbuterol is approved for use in some countries (via prescription only) as a bronchodilator for asthma patients.[citation needed] Recently though, the drug has been publicized for its off-label use as a weight loss drug. It is commonly used as a slimming aid despite lack of sufficient clinical evidence supporting such use[1].

With many major diet review websites talking about clenbuterol, and given its accessibility via the internet, the drug is widely used as a "dietary supplement". In fact, nowadays it is recommended by many physical trainers as the primary solution for those bodybuilders who desire to achieve sufficiently low body fat in order to look "cut". In many cases, it is introduced into the training regime not as an illegal drug, but simply as a weight loss aid. This reduces some of the negative connotations attached to illicit drug use and thereby decreases any hesitation to take the drug on the part of the trainee.

[Andre]

Point being be extra careful :)

Exactly... and if someone (man or woman) passes out, don't tripple the dose!

[sdonnell]

Also, with clen more is NOT better in this case.
The maximum i do is 2 a day at 50mcg each, and I am throwing shit all over the place, sweating my balls off and when I hit the gym I have the tons of energy.
Do not tell her to do more, thats already the maximum dosage for a female right there.

[Andre]

So she passes out at the max doseage (it's UGL most likely, so we have no clue how much she is really getting) and then you try trippling it... she might pass out and never wake up again... this shit ain't no joke!

Pharma is better than UGL...
http://www.bi-vetmedica.com/product_sites/Ventipulmin/reference.html

[grifter]

the syrup (ventipulmin) is very strong stuff. I had some years ago and was taking 1 full pump. I had tremors, handwritting sucked, my writing looked better in primary school. The constant sweating, and eventually the fat lose. Did I mention cramps? Specially in the calfs...ouch!




So she passes out at the max doseage (it's UGL most likely, so we have no clue how much she is really getting) and then you try trippling it... she might pass out and never wake up again... this shit ain't no joke!

Pharma is better than UGL...
http://www.bi-vetmedica.com/product_sites/Ventipulmin/reference.html

[_Ragnar_]

Ventipulmin all the way dont mess around with the caps.

[Mr Ontario]

The Vet Canadian Pump is the way to go for sure...A friend of mine is using it now and is seeing the difference. :)

[wan2lrn]

I wont use the caps again. I would get very sleepy after popping a 50mcg cap.

[Andre]

I wont use the caps again. I would get very sleepy after popping a 50mcg cap.

And that's the exact opposite effect it's supposed to have!

No one gets sleepy with the pump :bch

[_Ragnar_]

And that's the exact opposite effect it's supposed to have!

No one gets sleepy with the pump :bch

I feel like a tweeker on ventipulmin!

[fathead]

he said she laid down and passed out, not that she fainted or anything. clen makes me, and a lot of people i know, really lethargic and sleepy a number of hours after taking it. its like a wired, shaky, sweaty exhaustion... its weird. this is with pharm tabs, ug caps, liquid, etc etc.

everyone reacts differently to stimulants, but remember that clen stays in your system for quite a while so when you take your second dose you can end up having a lot more of it in your system than the 40 or 50mcg (if i remember correctly).

[Andre]

Clenbuterol and Bodybuilding

Description
Clenbuterol is known as a sympathomimetic. These hormones are taken to mimic adrenaline and noradrenaline in the human body. Clenbuterol is a selective beta-2 agonist that is used to stimulate the beta receptors in fat and muscle tissue in the body. Clenbuterol exhibits most of it's effects on the stimulation of both type 2 and 3 beta receptors. Clenbuterol is really one of bodybuilding's most misunderstood performance enhancement drugs. It is often been stated that clenbuterol is effective in causing anabolic gains and has in times even been compared to some of the weaker anabolic steroids. Books such as the World Anabolic Review, 1996, by P. Grunding and M. Bachmann state incorrectly that, "its effects, however, can by all means be compared to those of steroids." These statements are inaccurate and misleading to say the least. A lot of these claims as to the anabolic effects of clenbuterol are derived from studying the effects of clenbuterol on livestock. Clenbuterol is effective in increasing muscle mass and decreasing fat loss in animals. The problem with the variation in anabolic effects between humans and livestock is that livestock have an abundance of the type 3 beta receptors whereas humans have little if any of the type 3 beta receptors. These beta-3 receptors increases insulin secretion and sensitivity, causing more glucose and amino acids to be transported into skeletal muscle thus causing the anabolic effects that we, humans, just aren't seeing. As Dan Duchaine stated in his Muscle Media article on clenbuterol, "In those animal research studies showing an anabolic effect from clenbuterol, it's my guess the anabolism happens specifically when the beta2 receptor stops working. At that point, the beta3 increases and causes the anabolic effect through insulin mechanisms." Since humans, again, have either very little or no beta-3 receptors, there is no chance of this anabolic effect. Just another of the studies where everyone assumed that what works in animals must work in humans. This is just simply not the case with clenbuterol.


Side Effects
Side effects of clenbuterol include:
Headaches
Muscular tremors (especially hand shakes)
Muscular cramps
Nervousness
Insomnia
Sweating
Increased appetite
Nausea
Palpitations
Hypertension (high blood pressure)
Possible cardiac hypertrophy as clen also targets cardiac and smooth muscle fibres
Heart muscle necrosis has been demonstrated in animal studies

Clen can have some serious side effects (like sudden death) at very high dosages. Clen is very hard on your system.

[Praetorian]

Clenbuterol when used in humans is a specific beta 2 agonist. It does not affect beta 3 as in animals. Being a beta 2 specific agonist means a few things....one it is not considered a stimulant as it does not affect cardiac or CNS directly. Two it is much better at fat burning then non specific beta agonists ie ephedrine. The majority of good UGL's are pretty damn good in dosing. What you have to remember is clenbuterol will lower blood pressure (NOT RAISE IT) and this can lead to issues such as passing out etc. The heart will in turn increase BPM to counter this effect.
P

PS. as a side note please read the WAR with a grain of salt...there is a tonne of incorrect and misleading information in there...it is not an authority on gear.

[harry68]

I guess using the word passed out was to strong, she more just fell asleep fast after laying down. I told her to keep track of her temp and we will see if it varies much. Then we will know if the average temp is higher while on the the clen caps then it's probably working and she just doesn't get all the sides other people do. Her sides today where dry mouth and doesn't feel like eating. So will wait for the temp variables. Thanks for the help.

[deletedandgone]

Did anyone try 20 mcg tablets by Sopharma. A lot of people seem to recommend clen in liquid form - any reason for this? Are 20mcg tablets any good?

[vakker]

I am the same way, tired 5-6 hours later and then a shit sweat nap

[kloan]

Up to 50mcg today... haven't felt anything from it for over a week now. Been just over 3 weeks. Have been increasing by 10mcg every week. No sweats, headaches, disrupted sleep or jitteriness.

I get more jittery from coffee than I do from this stuff.... so far.

[kloan]

.. I just assume it's working.

same

[monkey]

same

Well.. you guys loosing weight?? or more weight then expected considering calorie intake>

[kloan]

I was losing weight before, but since being at my sisters my diet's been kinda put on hold. Only managed to hit the gym once as well.

Looking forward to getting back home so I can get back into my routine and kick this diet into high gear. I'm determined to get lean.

[Kaly11]

I'm on a keto diet, getting 1300 calories a day and doing 3 hours of cardio and an hour of weights.. If I wasn't losing weight you'd see a troubled individual... But with them stats it's hard to say what effect the clen has... Just hope for the best.

i dont think thats necessary man..im doing 45 mins low intensity cardio while on the keto and losing weight progressively..

[deletedandgone]

I'm on a cutting diet right now, with cardio and just added clen. I have no idea how you guys tolerate over 100mcg of clen. I ran the following dosages in mcg: 5, 10, 15, 20.

Just took 20mcg today and holy f'ing shit! My hands nearly started shaking and I've never felt so nervous in my life. I tolerate caffeine well, almost doesn't affect me - but clen is a different story. I'll leave it at 20mcg for this first week, just to see if I can get used to it.

[kloan]

I'm on a cutting diet right now, with cardio and just added clen. I have no idea how you guys tolerate over 100mcg of clen. I ran the following dosages in mcg: 5, 10, 15, 20.

Just took 20mcg today and holy f'ing shit! My hands nearly started shaking and I've never felt so nervous in my life. I tolerate caffeine well, almost doesn't affect me - but clen is a different story. I'll leave it at 20mcg for this first week, just to see if I can get used to it.

umm.. that sounds a little strange. are you sure it's dosed right?

[deletedandgone]

umm.. that sounds a little strange. are you sure it's dosed right?

Positive. The pack says 0.02mg per tab which is exactly 20mcg. I know people tolerate ventipulmin and spiropent differently (I have spiropent). Some say ventipulmin is stronger.

So yeah, dunno what to say/do. I'll try 20mcg the same tomorrow after breakfast, then maybe add 10 mcg in the evening if I feel okay. My plan was to do the following:
week 1 (in mcg): 5, 10, 15, 20, 30, 40, 20 (just to see how I react)
week 2: OFF
week 3 (in 20 mcg tabs): 1 2 3 4 3 2 1
week 4: OFF
week 5: 1 2 3 4 5 6 6
week 6: 6 6 5 4 3 2 1
week 7-8: OFF

But seeing how I react, I think the dosages above are way too high for me. I did feel warm all over today, but my body temp was 36.6C.

The idea is just to see how I react to 1 week cycle as opposed to a 2 week one. If I don't see any sides, then I would try P's cycle of staying on clen for the duration on the diet with a slow ramp up and then tapering off.

[kloan]

Guess it's more potent than the UG variety. Big difference there though... aside from a headache for the first few days and feeling tired, I didn't feel much from 20mcg/day. I'm up to 60mcg/day now and I still don't feel much.

[deletedandgone]

Guess it's more potent than the UG variety. Big difference there though... aside from a headache for the first few days and feeling tired, I didn't feel much from 20mcg/day. I'm up to 60mcg/day now and I still don't feel much.

For anybody else reading this: be very careful the first time you try clen. I'm used to stimulants, to the point that 50mg of ephedrine feels like nothing, 2 red bulls are not enough, and anything at Starbucks around 500mg of caffeine does not cause an anxiety reaction for me. But clen: I wanted to lie down and cry about the world coming to an end at 20mcg today. Very strong stuff.

[Retics]

For anybody else reading this: be very careful the first time you try clen. I'm used to stimulants, to the point that 50mg of ephedrine feels like nothing, 2 red bulls are not enough, and anything at Starbucks around 500mg of caffeine does not cause an anxiety reaction for me. But clen: I wanted to lie down and cry about the world coming to an end at 20mcg today. Very strong stuff.

Fawk!!!! I hate that feeling,, 2 scoops of No-Explode will put me over the edge , 8 mg ephedrine an a timmys coffee will do the same though,, I've taken .20 an not felt anything tho mind you,, thinking of switching to something different, Though having a bottle of ativan around all the time make me less prone to anxiety with anything, half in my head I guess.

[deletedandgone]

I got used to clen after 2 weeks. Right now I'm at 60mcg/day, 20mcg tabs 3 times a day and I am only feeling a bit wired. Nothing that coffee won't do.

Does anyone know the Canadian names for Clenbuterol? I know Ventipulmin (veterinary) and Spiropent. I am looking for names that come in tablet form though, Spiropent is way too pricey and I'm not sure if I can dose liquid clen correctly.

[z83]

sometime hands are shaking
worst was harmstring cramps

[kloan]

I got used to clen after 2 weeks. Right now I'm at 60mcg/day, 20mcg tabs 3 times a day and I am only feeling a bit wired. Nothing that coffee won't do.

Does anyone know the Canadian names for Clenbuterol? I know Ventipulmin (veterinary) and Spiropent. I am looking for names that come in tablet form though, Spiropent is way too pricey and I'm not sure if I can dose liquid clen correctly.

Dosing liquid is easy with a slin pin.

[deletedandgone]

Dosing liquid is easy with a slin pin.
Do you mean this or something else?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_pen

[kloan]

Do you mean this or something else?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_pen

this:

http://www.terumotmp.com/imgs/photos/151.jpg

insulin syringe, 50 or 100 units, 29g