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The Grim Repper
28-08-2009, 11:17 PM
Canadian doctors probing the worst cases of swine flu in Canada have made a striking finding: 40-year-olds, many previously healthy, appear most at risk of developing severe H1N1 disease.


The finding is based on global reports of illness and case reports from critically ill patients in intensive care units across the country. The investigation confirms the virus behind the first flu pandemic of the 21st century does not fit the typical patterns of influenza.


Significant, doctors say, is its ability to cause serious disease in previously healthy people.


"Although there are certain people who become critically ill with this virus that have co-morbidities, it has been remarkable for its ability to cause illness in patients that don't have chronic illness and are not weakened from some other medical condition," says Dr. Robert Fowler, assistant professor in the departments of medicine and critical care medicine at the University of Toronto.


"That's novel. It makes it difficult, therefore, to define a segment of the population that is so-called high-risk and should maybe therefore be considered for vaccination before other groups, or potentially for early therapy before other groups," said Fowler, a member of the Canadian Critical Care Trials Group.


The researchers are working with the Public Health Agency of Canada and various provincial groups to try to learn more about what predicts severe illness with H1N1, "and what we're going to need to treat patients as they come in greater numbers in the fall," Fowler said.


The picture that is emerging shows:


- Of those who have become critically ill with H1N1, the most commonly affected age is around 40. "They're surprisingly young," Fowler told Canwest News Service. Seasonal flu normally is most dangerous to the very young and those over age 65. Among critically ill cases of H1N1, there is a spike in numbers in the under five group. But the median age for severe illness requiring critical care is around 40.


Experts suspect people over 65 have some immunity to the pandemic virus, because they were likely exposed to a distant cousin of H1N1 that circulated in the 1950s.


- Only about a third of patients who required critical care had a major underlying illness. Normally people most at risk of life-threatening flu complications are those with chronic underlying health problems, particularly lung illnesses such as emphysema. With H1N1, most critically ill patients "will have something on their past medical history list, but often not that big a deal," Fowler said. "Two-thirds of patients don't have serious co-morbidities when they're getting critically ill. Some are absolutely healthy and have no past medical history."


- Patients who become critically ill frequently develop severe lung injury, requiring not just mechanical ventilation, "but really extraordinary forms of mechanical ventilation" for prolonged periods, up to weeks at a time, Fowler said. Many need high-frequency oscillatory ventilation, a form of ventilation that allows very high pressures to be built up in the airways to completely open up the lung, and provide optimal gas exchange. "Some academic intensive care units will have maybe one, or two, maybe at most three, but most intensive care units across the country have none," Fowler said.


"We're calling every hospital in the country to do an inventory of the number of ventilators that exist," he said. "Our concern is that our capacity to deliver care will be challenged like it hasn't really been before," Fowler said. "It's not as though you can say, come back tomorrow, we'll try to book your appointment in a month, or a week. You need it now, or you're not going to make it."


Cities and hospitals may have to share resources as the pandemic hits at different times in different parts of the country, he said.


- Critically ill patients often need to be heavily sedated, and frequently receive medications to completely relax their muscles so they don't fight or work against the ventilator. "They're often in a bit of a state of suspended animation for the period that they're most ill," Fowler said.


"Pandemics of the early part of the 20th century may have wiped out a huge number of people around the world — which was horrible — now, many of these patients would and will be saved by aggressive support in an intensive care unit," Fowler said. "The challenge is that we now will have intensive care units that are being asked to save these patients in a way, and at a volume, that we've never had to work with before."


The findings will be presented next week at a two-day meeting in Winnipeg of national and international critical care and public health experts to discuss the care and management of severe H1N1 disease and prepare for the expected fall pandemic wave.

Felinecougar
28-08-2009, 11:22 PM
I have not been sick from any flu, or viruses what so ever in over 10 yrs. NOT ever had a flu shot and won't begin now.

LIVEHARD
29-08-2009, 01:07 AM
I have not been sick from any flu, or viruses what so ever in over 10 yrs. NOT ever had a flu shot and won't begin now.

X2

deleteduser0002
29-08-2009, 02:05 AM
I get the flu shot every year personally. I just don't enjoy getting the flu, so I try and minimize my risk. I'll likely do the same this year for H1N1...although at this point I'm not overly concerned about the virus...I just don't want to get ill from it if I don't have too.

BAM
29-08-2009, 10:55 AM
I'll never voluntarily take a shot of the governments mystery juice ever.

I can only imagine what they are doing to our babies with the innoculations.

Born2Juice4Ever
29-08-2009, 11:18 AM
Last year I had to go to a clinic for an emergency, and the doctor advised me to take a tetanus shot---

Before that, it had been at least 12 years since any doctor ever gave me a shot of anything.

I am healthy, strong, virile, and living proof that those shots aren't' needed.
I am not here advising against the shots the gov tends to mandate from time to time, in fact I encourage that YOU follow rules and regulations.

B2J

countrychic
31-08-2009, 09:38 AM
I have never had a flu shot either. We are looking into getting them for anyone that wants one here at work. I hardly ever get a cold/flu. I will not start with the flu shot either, I have a good strong healthy immune system and I want to keep it that way.

deleteduser0002
31-08-2009, 11:05 AM
I think its a common big misconception that the flu shot will somehow weaken your immune system, or negatively effect its ability to fight future infections. It isn't an antibiotic. It doesn't fight pathogen's in anyway shape or form itself. It introduces a real (but dead virus) that causes your body to respond to it as it would any live virus. By building its own natural defenses to it. It strengthens your immune system naturally, just as if you were infected by the live version, without having to get sick. I really don't understand peoples paranoia when it comes to the flu shot....there is a one in a million chance of having a bad reaction to the shot. But you odds of having serious complications from the flu virus (even a relatively mild one) are statistically higher.

Sleeping_Giant
09-09-2009, 08:21 PM
I have not been sick from any flu, or viruses what so ever in over 10 yrs. NOT ever had a flu shot and won't begin now.

me too.. you don't need flu shots to protect you from the viruses, you just need to make sure your vitamin d levels are regulated

thetorontodude
10-09-2009, 02:15 AM
My gf got swine flu in June and it was not that bad. She was coughing up alot of garbage, but it did not seem as bad as they made it out to be. I was prescribed the meds just in case, but I never got sick. We slept in the same bed. It is bad for people who have existing medical issues; these are the ones who die. My gf was told that if you have existing respitory issues, such as asthma, you are more likely to get it. She has asthma and I do not. The doctor in charge of the outbreak in Ontario told me not to believe all of the hype. A little off topic, but whatever.

thetorontodude
10-09-2009, 02:18 AM
As well, we went on a vacation to Cuba as the doctor said she was passed the contagious stage, but still sick. We walked through the cuban swine flu camera device at the airport and it does not work. She never had a fever and they are looking for elevated body temp.