2 cycles, which is better?

[jacked_to_the_nine]

which one do you think is better pound for pound, and i'm not looking to get huge, also first time i will be doing test... can you also give me an idea of which one of these would be better to do if i didn't want to use hcg, or should i just use it regardless when doing any dose of test period!

a) wk 1-8 100mg test prop EOD
wk 1-8 aromasin 12.5mg ED
wk 1-8 NPP 100mg EOD
wk 8-14 nolva 40mg ED
wk 8-14 aromasin 25mg ED

or

b) wk 1-10 EQ 500mg EW
wk 1-10 Test-E 250mg EW
wk 1-10 aromasin 12.5 mg ED
wk 12-18 aromasin 25mg ED
wk 14-18 nolva 40mg ED

these are relitively close in $$$ but one is more test based and the other EQ, i'll probably try both between 2009-2010, but not sure about how important HCG is with these, and what to expect from them, i think i'm comfortable with the doses.

[theboss]

what is your previous cycle experience since you are saying this is the 1st time with test...

how about.........

c) wk 1 - 16 Test E 500mg
wk 1 - 14 EQ 400mg

+ PCT starting in week 18

do not use nolva ED during cycle.

[C-money]

I would do c)....... ive had good luck with that combo...

[L3]

i like c) too, but a) would cause a more drastic change in apperance

[L&L]

i have run cycles with lower test and high eq before. felt good and strong with no water retention. also didnt use any anti e either. guess that depends on your sensativity.

[PdH]

i have run cycles with lower test and high eq before. felt good and strong with no water retention. also didnt use any anti e either. guess that depends on your sensativity.

I like this method as well. Good gains and no sides. I hate sides.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

jesus mother of god, i don't think i could go on a 16 week cycle "theboss", thats just too long for me! i like shorter cycles, just it cost less and is less supressive... i've used deca/d-bol/winni/anavar/masteron/proviron/nolva/a-dex/ a few times in the past, and all with good results, never used test though, and so i'm pretty excited... i'm leaning away from prop and acetate for pain issues right now, but NPP is itching cuz i wouldn't mind some pain free type workouts to balance out all these naggin injuries i've sustained over the last year... unless EQ is good for that also then i will just do the b) cycle first... hey "legaliz3" you mean in size right? like i would get bigger from the a) cycle? thanks so far!

[Kronis]

I'm planning on doing (A) in October so I vote for that. I was going to run dbol too but just started accutane so that's out.

[Tballs]

Go with A. but switch npp for tren a. and run the test and tren 10 weeks.

[tex]

eq is better for collagen synth than npp so your joints will feel a bit better on eq but probably not a huge diff.......if you want short cycle then go with (a) but switch the dosing up a bit.....test p @ 150 eod and the npp @ 100 eod should work great and no need for anti e with those doses......only run anti e if you are gyno prone or wait til symptoms arise....

[tiramisu]

"i'm not looking to get huge."

d) Don't take steroids and get your training and diet in check.

[Kronis]

eq is better for collagen synth than npp so your joints will feel a bit better on eq but probably not a huge diff.......if you want short cycle then go with (a) but switch the dosing up a bit.....test p @ 150 eod and the npp @ 100 eod should work great and no need for anti e with those doses......only run anti e if you are gyno prone or wait til symptoms arise....

Question regarding NPP vs EQ for collagen synthesis. Does EQ's collagen benefits begin immediately or is it ester dependent? I'm assuming it takes a while to begin because of the ester so for a short cycle it's better to go with NPP because it kicks in right away, at least that's my reasoning for choosing that combo.

[GYMBRAT]

I do like (b) from personal experience, I think Id just reverse the test-Eq dosages........I also dont see anything really wrong with (a) neither "from personal experience"

[jacked_to_the_nine]

"i'm not looking to get huge."

d) Don't take steroids and get your training and diet in check.

hahaha! ya right, tell that to all the athletes who compete in high level compititions! if you know anything about steroids then you should know that there are many uses for them, some use them for sports that require weight classes, some use them for strength, some aggression, some for size, so what the hell are you talking about! being pro-steroids is important to all of us, regardless of your needs, everyone should promote safe AAS use, and expose the truth that they indeed make you "bigger, stronger and faster"! thanks for all the input, this is a good discussion thus far!

i wish i could get EQ in a short ester or acitate, i would do a) with a short ester EQ fo sho! "T-balls" i can't use tren, cardio/endurance is to valuble for my sport, but i hear super awsome stuff on it... is there a dosage that could be taken that dosn't cause the hyperventalating type side!

[Kronis]

You can get boldenone propionate, which apparently sucks ass because everyone gets incredibly sick on it. Too bad, it sounds like a great drug in theory.

[Tballs]

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i can't use tren, cardio/endurance is to valuble for my sport, but i hear super awsome stuff on it... is there a dosage that could be taken that dosn't cause the hyperventalating type side![/QUOTE]

what sport are we talking? obviously its not a tested sport since your talking eq.

[L3]

how about a high dose of anavar along with your test, will give you the benefits of EQ w/out it staying in your system for a long time

[jacked_to_the_nine]

what sport are we talking? obviously its not a tested sport since your talking eq.

no doubt, testing is an issue depending on the venue, but we are talking about cheap ass MMA promotions that prolly wouldn't even care if i braught a buck knife into the damn ring or cage with me! most venues even the UFC don't test unless the other camp pays $$$ to the commision to get it done, in other words, purse of the fighter demanding a test on the other when a test wasn't schedualed by the commission alone, would diminish by the cost of the test... indeed the risk is worth it considering all that matters is making an impression in ragards to finishing fights, however all i've used for the last 2 years has been anavar, and 3 weeks out i'm clean, and i still have never been tested... EQ is suppose to make you hungry as shit too, i forgot about that, i may not wanna eat too much considering i'm always keeping my diet relitively clean!

[Tballs]

forget eq,deca,tren. run test prop or suspension. throw in some halotestin leading up to the fight.

[Skyblob]

Why your not looking to get huge? Not only one cycle will get you huge! But if you do a mass cycle you should do the best cycle that fits for you accordingly to your previous cycles.. If you want my opinion id go with a) ! Ive seen you did a good amount of gear in the past so you could give a try for Tren A .. And i highly prone for the use of HCG during your cycle .. i came off this cycle that im naming you and it took me only 2 weeks to fully recover ( yes fully according to how I feel and not to bloodtest ) compared to my previous cycle which was Test and Deca took me 1 full month! ..

1-10 Test P 100mg EOD
1-8 Tren A 100mg ED
2-10 HCG 250 UI E3D ( do it Sub-q .. easy and simple and painless )

[punkrock]

how about a high dose of anavar along with your test, will give you the benefits of EQ w/out it staying in your system for a long time

I agree!! also it would be good for your sport as well. I'm taking it right now and I'm pretty impressed. I have had a slight decrease in appetite but not too bad.!

[tex]

Question regarding NPP vs EQ for collagen synthesis. Does EQ's collagen benefits begin immediately or is it ester dependent? I'm assuming it takes a while to begin because of the ester so for a short cycle it's better to go with NPP because it kicks in right away, at least that's my reasoning for choosing that combo. just because its long estered and not stable in your blood yet doesnt mean you wont get good effects of the drug.....i hear ppl's joints feeling amazing after 2 weeks or so......high dose var will work the same......or primobolan......

[KINE]

a) cause prop and npp hit hard and fast!

[jacked_to_the_nine]

forget eq,deca,tren. run test prop or suspension. throw in some halotestin leading up to the fight.

i like the sound of that! you know i thought of a good question tonight at work... do you guys think that eventualy you find your favorite AAS stack or combo, i feel i'm still searching for mine considering i haven't treid everything... but right now i'm on anavar and proviron and it is mellow but really great, its deffinetly something i will do many times more in the future... but there is a little devil inside me that wants to try every AAS known to man hahaha! but i never thought about suspesion.

[L3]

suspension is great, if you dont mind ED pokes and being horny as ****,

also if you sport is weight sensitive (which im assuming it is), you will need to run an aromatise inhibitor to keep waterweight down

have never tried halo but i hear if its legit its something on a whole diff level....

[PdH]

have never tried halo but i hear if its legit its something on a whole diff level....

HG Halo was one of the few compounds we could get back in the 80s. Most of the guys on it should have been kept in a cage. :eek:

[jacked_to_the_nine]

HG Halo was one of the few compounds we could get back in the 80s. Most of the guys on it should have been kept in a cage. :eek:

lol, that is pretty funny... i also heard that tyson used cheque drops from time to time... i read that you could use suspension like 1 day before a sporting event, i could only imagine after weighing in, taking a nice fat shot of test suspension, now on the other hand if i take it in the quad and can't fleakin walk the next day then that would suck!