cruise at 300mg test cyp

[canadianmuscle0803]

im gonna cruise for a while, is 300mg of cyp only once a week enough? i know the half life is 14 days so i figured i can get away once a week injects.. im sick of jabbing myself EOD, plus im going through enough shit in my life right now i dont even workout regularly.. words of wisdom? should i run HCG with this, how long/dose etc.. cheers.

God Bless

[gustavo77]

150-200mg/wk of test is enough to cruise...HCG 250-500iu twice per week.

[theboss]

i think for cyp i would do it 2x week...but 300mg should be fine..
how long are you planning on cruising until your next?
i dont think HCG would be bad to add..not sure what to suggest..maybe 500iu x 2 week

[theboss]

i guess gus beat me to it......he posts while i am still typing

[natenator]

i guess gus beat me to it.

It's cause you wrote a novel lol

[theboss]

It's cause you wrote a novel lol

:moon

[canadianmuscle0803]

ok ill go down to 200mg.. i dunno when i will go back on normal doses.. right now im not planning that.. thanks dudes.

[DirtyBoxer]

I run 200mg/week of Delatestryl once per week for HRT, also use 500iu of hcg mon/thur.

[canadianmuscle0803]

perfect.. thanks DB

nice avatar lol

[baza]

150-200mg/wk of test is enough to cruise...HCG 250-500iu twice per week.

+1. Often 'cruise' is exaggerated and guys are on way too much.

[ironwill]

Why not give your receptors a break and do a pct, then when you get your personal stuff figured out, you will be back with a vengeance, and grow like a weed....
If you are thinking being off would only compound your personal troubles, then i would cruise on 300 mgs per week, taken, mon, thursday, get some aromasin as well, because when you drop a dose like that you will have higher estrogen levels that will take time to normalize because of the higher test levels you are currently on, so aromasin @ 12.5 mgs per day will alleviate that, then when you stop aromasin, the great thing is there is no rebound, like nolva.......I would also do hcg @ 3-500 ius eod with a 5000 iu vial and run until gone, just to get the boys working again....

[Solo59]

Lots of good advice for "cruising", though at 300 mg/EW you won't really be giving your organs a rest. In any case, I suggest throwing in some Provi just for that little extra that won't work against you.

Solo

[natenator]

Why not give your receptors a break and do a pct, then when you get your personal stuff figured out, you will be back with a vengeance, and grow like a weed....
If you are thinking being off would only compound your personal troubles, then i would cruise on 300 mgs per week, taken, mon, thursday, get some aromasin as well, because when you drop a dose like that you will have higher estrogen levels that will take time to normalize because of the higher test levels you are currently on, so aromasin @ 12.5 mgs per day will alleviate that, then when you stop aromasin, the great thing is there is no rebound, like nolva.......I would also do hcg @ 3-500 ius eod with a 5000 iu vial and run until gone, just to get the boys working again....
I agree with the time off but at the same time I've also been in the position where I was due to come off but because of some personal issues going on in my life at the time I decided to stay on just a bit longer so my hormone levels were not bouncing all over the place.

Tough call...

[baza]

^^ good call too.

[ironwill]

I agree with the time off but at the same time I've also been in the position where I was due to come off but because of some personal issues going on in my life at the time I decided to stay on just a bit longer so my hormone levels were not bouncing all over the place.

Tough call...
yeah definitely, i think my second sentence was saying that...if coming off and doing pct compounds personal problems then i see the idea behind staying on.......i would to, pct suxxx...

[BAM]

...........

[canadianmuscle0803]

i cant go off now.. last time i went on pct my test never bounced back at all.. im just gonna do a dose of 200mg a week and hcg.. proviron sounds good to.. but why aromasin?

[canadianmuscle0803]

and yes. going through pct right now would make my life even harder..

[JonnyO]

off subject--->I thought you were working with a Pro or something like that bro..are you still?

[ironwill]

i cant go off now.. last time i went on pct my test never bounced back at all.. im just gonna do a dose of 200mg a week and hcg.. proviron sounds good to.. but why aromasin?
im a shitty typist, please read up where i made my original post, ill be here to long typing again....lol...for serious...2 finger pecker here....

[tex]

2 finger pecker here.... is this in regards to the prostate milking thread?

[canadianmuscle0803]

off subject--->I thought you were working with a Pro or something like that bro..are you still?

when life gives you lemons, you squeeze them and make lemonade, lol in other words, things change..

[ironwill]

is this in regards to the prostate milking thread?

lol.....not 2 finger taker tex....:shock andre the giant style..i dont know what you did on your colony growin up.....:ne

[St]

Shit i made some amazing gains,and look great on just 1 cc of T-300 once a week.Proviron is nice stuff for penis perfection.

[giannos]

Shit i made some amazing gains,and look great on just 1 cc of T-300 once a week.Proviron is nice stuff for penis perfection.

Penis Perfection ?? WTF :D hahah, you kill me bro.....

Good advice in this thread. I would do 200mg and shoot it once a week. I'm so sick of pinning and I only pin long esters, I envy you ED or EOD people. Ditch the proviron, Aromasin as IW stated makes sense...

Let us know how you feel when you drop down in dose..

Best of luck and God Bless bro !!!

[tex]

lol.....not 2 finger taker tex....:shock andre the giant style..i dont know what you did on your colony growin up.....:ne i dont remember much of my childhood...i was an altar boy for most of it....that might have somethin to do with it! ;)

[Beachmuscle]

You'd do more than fine on 300mg a week. Add in a little GH and keep your diet clean and you'll keep alot of your gains.

If you can get your hands on some Test Undec, (Nebido), you could get away with a shot every two weeks after a little front load.

[canadianmuscle0803]

Shit i made some amazing gains,and look great on just 1 cc of T-300 once a week.Proviron is nice stuff for penis perfection.

lol huh? this came from left field bro.. lol

[canadianmuscle0803]

Penis Perfection ?? WTF :D hahah, you kill me bro.....

Good advice in this thread. I would do 200mg and shoot it once a week. I'm so sick of pinning and I only pin long esters, I envy you ED or EOD people. Ditch the proviron, Aromasin as IW stated makes sense...

Let us know how you feel when you drop down in dose..

Best of luck and God Bless bro !!!

why do you advice aromasin?

[canadianmuscle0803]

You'd do more than fine on 300mg a week. Add in a little GH and keep your diet clean and you'll keep alot of your gains.

If you can get your hands on some Test Undec, (Nebido), you could get away with a shot every two weeks after a little front load.

my ex stole my GH.. so until i get more im SOL..

[C-money]

my ex stole my GH.. so until i get more im SOL..

Oh man id be pissed!

[giannos]

Why not give your receptors a break and do a pct, then when you get your personal stuff figured out, you will be back with a vengeance, and grow like a weed....
If you are thinking being off would only compound your personal troubles, then i would cruise on 300 mgs per week, taken, mon, thursday, get some aromasin as well, because when you drop a dose like that you will have higher estrogen levels that will take time to normalize because of the higher test levels you are currently on, so aromasin @ 12.5 mgs per day will alleviate that, then when you stop aromasin, the great thing is there is no rebound, like nolva.......I would also do hcg @ 3-500 ius eod with a 5000 iu vial and run until gone, just to get the boys working again....





why do you advice aromasin?

From above, IronWills post

[canadianmuscle0803]

Oh man id be pissed!

oh thats not all i lost with her bro.. but like i said, when life gives you lemons, make some lemonade lol

[ironwill]

Aromasin averages an 85% rate of estrogen suppression (4), so it´s clearly a very effective agent for bodybuilders and other athletes wanting to avoid estrogen related side effects such as gyno, acne, or water-retention brought on by aromatizing steroids. Specifically, Exemestane dose this by selectively inhibiting aromatase activity in a time-dependent and irreversible manner (hence the "suicidal" portion of it´s name, I guess).(7)

As with most of the compounds in this class, it also causes a reasonable rise in testosterone levels (6), and as you may have guessed, this rise in testosterone means that Exemestane can also cause androgenic sides(8)(9)(10). As you can see from the chart below, exemestane is very effective at both lowering estrogen (estradiol) and raising testosterone:

SORRY NO CHART....



FIG. 1. Estrogen and androgen plasma levels after 10 d of daily exemestane (25 or 50 mg) in healthy young males (mean ± SD; n = 9-11). To convert to Systeme International units: estradiol, picomoles per liter (x3.671); estrone, picomoles per liter (x3.699); androstenedione, nanomoles per liter (*0.003492); and testosterone, nanomoles per liter (x0.03467). (13)

So we can see that 25mgs is a very effective dose from that chart, right? As an added benefit, exemestane not only increases testosterone and lowers estrogen, but it also increases IGF levels (11).Additionally Worth noting is that Aromasin may possibly be less harsh on blood lipids (14)than some of the other (similar) compounds we use in the world of bodybuilding or athletics (other AI´s). It also has, at best no effect on IGF, and at worst could lower (13) it. AI´s are very tricky with regards to inconsistencies in IGF levels.

Unfortunately, you need to take Exemestane for a week to reach steady blood plasma levels of it, and exemestane has a ½ life of 27 hours (12.).

The ability of exemestane to lower estrogen levels by the aforementioned 85% makes it a very nice choice for use in any cycle where aromatizing steroids are used. In addition, since it´s not too harsh at all on blood lipid profiles, it´s a very good choice for longer cycles. It´s ability to raise both testosterone levels also seem to suggest that it would be a very nice addition to a Post-Cycle-Therapy (PCT).


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Read all of the above, very good compound, and i know it doesnt bugger with lipid profiles and i have the bloodwork that was just done, and i did pct with aromasin and hcg in the beginning.....Also it doesnt have a rebound effect like you will see with nolva...all around good choice...you often hear of arimidex, and nolva affecting igf levels as well, this does not do that, and raises test levels also.....
Thats why i suggested it for dropping your dose levels, i did it, and it worked damn well as far as not noticing the crash like feeling that comes with the body adjusting to lower test levels...

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[canadianmuscle0803]

ok ok i get the point lol

[ironwill]

you asked....lolol:handsome

[spinalcolum]

my ex stole my GH.. so until i get more im SOL..

Fak,, I feel for ya..shit isnt going your way. Get on a proper low dose "cruise" I recommend 200 mgs/week plus HCG,,,, and spend more time working on your head bro....
I dont know what it is,, but it seems like a lot of guys here have a ton of personal problems. Personal life first.

[canadianmuscle0803]

Fak,, I feel for ya..shit isnt going your way. Get on a proper low dose "cruise" I recommend 200 mgs/week plus HCG,,,, and spend more time working on your head bro....
I dont know what it is,, but it seems like a lot of guys here have a ton of personal problems. Personal life first.

name me someone who doesn't have personal problems? my outlook on life is this, everything happens in order that we may grow, physically, mentally and spiritually..

Hebrews 2:10

"In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through SUFFERING."

[RagingRandy]

^^^^^^
Don't forget.....
Philippians 4:12 I have experienced times of need and times of abundance. In any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of contentment, whether I go satisfied or hungry, have plenty or nothing. 4:13 I am able to do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

[MMASTAR]

mabey this is a little off topic but when a doc puts you on HRT, i think they usually do 100mg a week, do they ive you anything else? like HCG? or an anti e? just curious..

[RagingRandy]

^^^^ My doc has me on 250 mg test E E2 weeks. I am also on HCG but that is only because my wife and I are planning a family. I pin E3D; I find the sides, mostly acne to be greatly reduced.

[canadianmuscle0803]

^^^^ My doc has me on 250 mg test E E2 weeks. I am also on HCG but that is only because my wife and I are planning a family. I pin E3D; I find the sides, mostly acne to be greatly reduced.

im confused, 250mg of test E every 2 weeks? your levels would be so out of wack.. test E should be injected every 5 days MIN

[L3]

m confused, 250mg of test E every 2 weeks? your levels would be so out of wack.. test E should be injected every 5 days MIN

:shock


I pin E3D; I find the sides, mostly acne to be greatly reduced.

[fireflyer]

Doesn't test e have a 7 carbon ester as opposed to 8 for cyp? Wouldn't that translate in more test for the same volume? Anyway - test e is like 10 days and cyp 12 days half life so either should be good for a EW dose you'd think.
As for HCG - fore sure if you are planning to still have a family one day. The anti-e's could helpp with the swing down but what are you running now? I mean if you are dropping from just 5-600 test it might not be to bad and maybe you could just run a little or even herbals used for PCT. I can't remember why but I think Stinging nettle is good for that. Good luck though bro and hope the shit that is messing you up passes fast and you get on track.