go to hell professional muscle

[Ritch]

Professionalmuscle.com, what a joke. You try to ask them questions regarding peptides, and all`s you get is arrogant twit like answers. Eat a dick you Datbtrue groupies. Rant over.

[champcar99]

I have heard nothing about bad things about that site...

[Kronis]

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[Ritch]

^^^ Clever!

[theslime]

same experience as you with the dat groupies!!

[cog]

That thread is so f#####' long you need to go through it a couple of times.There are some smarty pants types.What we need is our own confirmed research....

[Ritch]

That thread is so f#####' long you need to go through it a couple of times.There are some smarty pants types.What we need is our own confirmed research....

But what about all those fancy graphs, and data with "patients" showing the peptides effectivesness...

As you say confirmed research by bodybuilders, it`s like aliens. There is plenty of talk about it, no no proof yet.

[hyperlite32]

I have to agree with ritch. PM is no comparision to CBB

We are spoiled here at CBB! I love it here.

[O-Train]

What were the questions?

[Ritch]

What were the questions?

I wanted feedback with the use of ghrp-6. Check out the thread on the site as I`m sure it will be taken down soon.

And if you read DatBtrue`s thread, you will understand why I think he`s an arogant prick.

[hyperlite32]

I just read the updates. What a prick. And it seems his balls are in good hands over there... LOL.

[gicantor]

The Mods act like little children over there. "Don't question me or I'll ban you."

PM=worst forum ever

[Kronis]

Wow, that thread turned bad after 7 posts.

Why the **** are they hating on Palumbo? He was using the same fake GH that he was selling, he wasn't trying to scam anybody.

edit: Wow, things became civil on the second page then all hell broke loose on the third.

[tiramisu]

While I actually like PM you have to remember that underlying the forum they are an open sponsor site with all of the scary stuff that goes with that.

I'm extremely interested in cjc / ghrp 2/6 but seperating marketing from truth is damned near unpossible in the forums. PubMed is likely our best friend in this area although studies on what are relatively new peptides are likely few and far between.

I think that a mature response is that if you don't spend the time to understand what the peptides are or do you should probably leave them alone. This isn't like taking testosterone or its derivative. You are definitely entering an experimental area.

I am just as curious as to whether the cjc/ghrh can stimulate the pituitary to produce the equivalent of 15 iu's of hgh per day as is supposed in DatBTrue's thread OR whether that is actually absurd and the pituitary is naturally limited to producing X amount of hgh and that the peptides are only capable of enhancing it to X or below.

I'd also like to know what long and short term effects squeezing the pituitary for juice might have. I'd also love to know what effects taking cjc/ghrp 3 times a day has on my body beyond stimulating GH production.

[O-Train]

I posted about 7 different studies regarding GHRP-2, 6 and CJC-1295...all from PubMed, all free full text.

[tiramisu]

I posted about 7 different studies regarding GHRP-2, 6 and CJC-1295...all from PubMed, all free full text.

I'm just reading these postings and I don't see anything that suggests that cjc/ghrp result in supra-physiologic outputs of GH from the pituitary. Maybe I'm just confused (usually) but it sounds like CJC/GHRP is being documented as an excellent way of bringing those with sub normal GH production back up to normal levels???

I don't understnd how we go from this to comparisons of 10 iu's of exogenous HGH usage ???

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[Ritch]

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Good luck, lol...

[GYMBRAT]

I only ever hang here or my trusty ol CJM anymore..and quite content with it that way

[tiramisu]

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/5/2290

In short-term clinical studies in postmenopausal women, continuous iv infusion of GHRP-2 separately or combined with GHRH for 24 h amplifies pulsatile and total GH secretion by 30- to 120-fold and elevates fasting IGF-I concentrations (27, 28, 29). The present outcomes extend such inferences in older men and women by demonstrating that unvarying sc infusion of GHRP-2 for 1 month augments pulsatile, total, 24-h rhythmic, and entropic measures of GH secretion and IGF-I, IGFBP-3, and IGFBP-5 concentrations. From a qualitative viewpoint, the foregoing specific ensemble of neuroendocrine and systemic responses is identical to that observed at the time of maximal linear growth in healthy pubertal girls and boys (66). From a quantitative vantage, continuous GHRP-2 administration for 2 and 4 wk increased the 24-h GH secretion rate in elderly adults to approximately 0.5 mg (assuming a 7% distribution volume). The latter value is approximately 50% of that attained in adolescents at peak growth velocity.


From a therapeutic perspective this is very exciting. From a bodybuilding perspective a little less so. As a 40 pluser, the peptides seem like a less expensive route to GH replacement therapy but it doesn't sound like it gets me to 1 iu / kg / week dosages that bodybuidlers are currently abusing/using

[tex]

I'm just reading these postings and I don't see anything that suggests that cjc/ghrp result in supra-physiologic outputs of GH from the pituitary. Maybe I'm just confused (usually) but it sounds like CJC/GHRP is being documented as an excellent way of bringing those with sub normal GH production back up to normal levels???

I don't understnd how we go from this to comparisons of 10 iu's of exogenous HGH usage ???

Can anyone point me in the right direction? these claims don't seem quite right.....i wouldnt put this into my body.....how about you guys that wanna spend your $$ on this stuff just give me half the money in your wallet and i'll kick you in the nuts and we'll call it a day?!

[O-Train]

I'm just reading these postings and I don't see anything that suggests that cjc/ghrp result in supra-physiologic outputs of GH from the pituitary. Maybe I'm just confused (usually) but it sounds like CJC/GHRP is being documented as an excellent way of bringing those with sub normal GH production back up to normal levels???

I don't understnd how we go from this to comparisons of 10 iu's of exogenous HGH usage ???

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

I think it's somewhere in between. If you have normal GH levels these peptides will help (induce GH release). If you have lower than normal GH levels than these peptides will help more. I am not sure what the values in the studies mean and how they compare to hGH.

What I found really interesting is that (from the first study I posted) subjects recieving arginine+GHRP-2 had more GH release compared with the subjects recieving GHRP-2+GHRH (CJC-1295 is basically GHRH, only with a longer t1/2).

So it is concievable that someone could get better results from arginine+GHRP-2/6 compared with GHRP-2/6+CJC-1295. Although the arginine administration would be the tricky part. Taken orally you would probably need a lot considering the study protocol was 30g infused over 30 minutes.

[O-Train]

It's interesting that you brought up this particular point because if you read further you will see that these peptides seem to perform better for woman compared with men. I forget why, but I believe it is mentioned.


http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/5/2290

In short-term clinical studies in postmenopausal women, continuous iv infusion of GHRP-2 separately or combined with GHRH for 24 h amplifies pulsatile and total GH secretion by 30- to 120-fold and elevates fasting IGF-I concentrations (27, 28, 29). The present outcomes extend such inferences in older men and women by demonstrating that unvarying sc infusion of GHRP-2 for 1 month augments pulsatile, total, 24-h rhythmic, and entropic measures of GH secretion and IGF-I, IGFBP-3, and IGFBP-5 concentrations. From a qualitative viewpoint, the foregoing specific ensemble of neuroendocrine and systemic responses is identical to that observed at the time of maximal linear growth in healthy pubertal girls and boys (66). From a quantitative vantage, continuous GHRP-2 administration for 2 and 4 wk increased the 24-h GH secretion rate in elderly adults to approximately 0.5 mg (assuming a 7% distribution volume). The latter value is approximately 50% of that attained in adolescents at peak growth velocity.


From a therapeutic perspective this is very exciting. From a bodybuilding perspective a little less so. As a 40 pluser, the peptides seem like a less expensive route to GH replacement therapy but it doesn't sound like it gets me to 1 iu / kg / week dosages that bodybuidlers are currently abusing/using

[tiramisu]

... this study also used a continuous iv infusion vs. intramuscular intermittent dosing.

It does suggest the best case scenario is to reach optimal normal physiologic level of GH using these peptides.

That I would wild ass guess for a 40'ish year old is the equivalent of a couple'ish of iu's of exogenous gh a day.

(again I could be completely confused but that's how I interpret the study)

[faller]

Check out the thread on the site as I`m sure it will be taken down soon.

I would except i was banned from there a long time ago. Is that moron razers cut, or something like that, still there? He was called out when he posted up a pic of one of his "clients" and it turned out to be a fraud. Big-Ass backed him up!! I couldn't believe it.

[tex]

i just read that thread......that is the dumbest shit I have ever read.......im gonna sign up as datbdumb.....

[hyperlite32]

That is a good idea... LOL!

[JonnyO]

has he posted any pictures of himself to prove the effectiveness of his peptide research...to me that would mean a lot more than some graphs and studies.

[St]

[QUOTE=GYMBRAT;252564]I only ever hang here or my trusty ol CJM anymore..and quite content with it that way[/QUOT

Ya same here my two favorite site.

[SARGE]

Yes,i agree Ritch,you asked a good question and got search this,link that.Its a discussion board.There is always fresh ideas and personell experience info that a person would like feedback from.If you cant ask a repeated question,what the hell are we going to talk about,the ****en weather

[cog]

... this study also used a continuous iv infusion vs. intramuscular intermittent dosing.

It does suggest the best case scenario is to reach optimal normal physiologic level of GH using these peptides.

That I would wild ass guess for a 40'ish year old is the equivalent of a couple'ish of iu's of exogenous gh a day.

(again I could be completely confused but that's how I interpret the study)

An optimal normal physiologic level of GH just might be your best bet for long term use.Heavy exogenous use has produced some of the most unsightly physiques ever seen.Not to mention the sides they experience.

[rufusrocks]

i guess the jury is still out on peptides. interesting we can use a peptide to produce GH but can't use one to produce more test. at least tons of it with out converting to estrogen . homeostasis is is like mother nature mess with it you get messed up too.

[O-Train]

i guess the jury is still out on peptides. interesting we can use a peptide to produce GH but can't use one to produce more test. at least tons of it with out converting to estrogen . homeostasis is is like mother nature mess with it you get messed up too.

Growth hormone is a peptide hormone. Testosterone is a steroid hormone. Totally different.

[Beachmuscle]

Pro Muscle is a bullshit site. Big A is a ass clown that works with all his "sponsors" (ie: selective scammers).

**** that site. The info is bullshit, and if you call out any of the scammers you get banned and your threads deleted.

That site is scum.

[JonnyO]

I dont believe in the fancy peptides either, I think one would be better off taking real GH. For now anyways, I havent read enough or seen enough real world results to make me want to try them.

[Ritch]

Well they didn`t ban me, but did censore most of my posts. But man do they ever have alot of "sponsors" on that site, lol....

[Ritch]

Looks like I spoke too fast. Just logged on the site and all the rooms were saying "private". So I looged off and can access them but can`t post. Dosen`t really matte because I wasen`t planning to anyways.

[The Grim Repper]

I saw a banner there that said 65 million hits a month. They are bigger than MLB.com (major league baseball). I find that SUPER hard to believe.

[Tballs]

I saw a banner there that said 65 million hits a month. They are bigger than MLB.com (major league baseball). I find that SUPER hard to believe.


where do you think those mlb guys get there hookups? lol

[tex]

the mods on that site are a bunch of cockbiters. i read through a few threads and its garbage.....

[rob66679]

Pro Muscle is a bullshit site. Big A is a ass clown that works with all his "sponsors" (ie: selective scammers).

**** that site. The info is bullshit, and if you call out any of the scammers you get banned and your threads deleted.

That site is scum.

Amen to that...

[faller]

Looks like I spoke too fast. Just logged on the site and all the rooms were saying "private". So I looged off and can access them but can`t post. Dosen`t really matte because I wasen`t planning to anyways.

They have a section for banned member's where you can suck some cock in the hopes of being reinstated. Really pathetic let me tell you..

[Ritch]

They have a section for banned member's where you can suck some cock in the hopes of being reinstated. Really pathetic let me tell you..

That is so pathetic. Like when you were a kid and your dad would make you stand in the corner. Anyone have their parents make them do that? Although those peckers banned me, they still send me emails concerning stuff their sponsors sell...

[Beachmuscle]

That is so pathetic. Like when you were a kid and your dad would make you stand in the corner. Anyone have their parents make them do that? Although those peckers banned me, they still send me emails concerning stuff their sponsors sell...


Lol, yeah, and if you order from them chances are you'll get scammed.

Scum of the scum.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I don't venture too far away from CBB. Thank God for that :)

[GYMBRAT]

I don't venture too far away from CBB. Thank God for that :)

same here, I have basically everything in terms of info right here at CBB, and the great members are just that extra bonus! :D

[faller]

Although those peckers banned me, they still send me emails concerning stuff their sponsors sell...

Lo , the same happened to me! I even responded a couple times and told them to Fk off. I e-mailed Big-ass one time and called him a scamming piece of shit, he responded by saying how ****ed up i was because he doesn't sell anything so how could he be a scammer??? Lol, he had me there.. That prick :puff

[Beachmuscle]

Yeah, how many boards does he run, 4 or 5... Big A/Alin, whatever you want to call him, basically one in the same. He's in his pocket.

The site has useless info, it's all about pushing drugs. Best to stick to CBB. That site is going to be the next SSB situation.

Big A may not "sell drugs", but you know damn well he's taking kick backs like a rockstar.

Karma will catch up with that ass clown eventually.