Winter Bulking Cycle

[tiramisu]

I suppose it's time to let the critics loose.

Not entirely locked in yet but I have a general game plan. I've done these amounts previously and acne was a problem with the higher volume of test. I am half way through an accutane cycle that has been very effective (hoping for the best).

I'd like to put on a fair bit of meat by next summer.

Currently 5'10" 210 10%, in my 40's


Throughout the cycle
2.5 iu's GH ed (would like to increase to 4iu's)
12.5 mcg aromasin
250 mcg hcg e3d

Week 1-6
50 mg tbol ed
250 mg Test eod
100 mg NPP eod

Week 7,8

200 mg test e3d

Week 10-16
250 mg test eod
100 mg tren eod

Week 17,18
200 mg test e3d

Week 19-25
25-50 mg dbol ed (50 blows me up like a balloon)
250 mg test ed
100 mg npp ed

Week 26,27
200 mg test e3d

Week 28-34
250 mg test ed
100 mg tren ed

hcg

... pct and see if I can break 8% bf. (made 10% this year).
probably just nolva again. It was quite effective for me with hcg priming prior to pct.

[rufusrocks]

holy crap... you should log this... why the dbol so late in the cycle? what do you think cause your acne? man alot sides but if you can do it monitor your blood.

[baza]

What's the point of the 2 lower dosed test weeks every six weeks?

[tiramisu]

holy crap... you should log this... why the dbol so late in the cycle? what do you think cause your acne? man alot sides but if you can do it monitor your blood.


I think 1750 mg of test plus 700 mg of tren a week is likely the cause of the acne. sebaceous glands running amok on 2 grams of androgens. The accutane should settle them down (fingers crossed).

I'm running tbol in weeks 1-6 and I want to give myself a break between orals. Dbol, nandrolone, and test are also a fairly well documented cycle in terms of mass and the following mini-cycle with the tren should help me get the water from the dbol, npp, test combination off before spring and pct.

[tiramisu]

What's the point of the 2 lower dosed test weeks every six weeks?


Even with the aas and 4-4500k calories per week I still have a tendency to overtrain. Am currently working into a DC program and am going to reduce my intensity during the lower dosage weeks and alternate between npp and tren.

I'm also hoping this will help me keep the excess water weight off and the BP under control.

[baza]

So intensity wise, it's kind of like a 'break' 2 weeks? Well not break, but not as intense?

[tiramisu]

So intensity wise, it's kind of like a 'break' 2 weeks? Well not break, but not as intense?

kind of like a couple of weeks without trying to pull pr's every workout.

[baza]

Okay, I understand. Personally I wouldn't drop the dose for that reason but it's obviously something you thought about and figure it will work for you, so giver. Everything else looks pretty good, I like it.

Assuming you are trying to put on lean mass and drop some bodyfat, why the dbol midway and not right off the hop?

[tiramisu]

Okay, I understand. Personally I wouldn't drop the dose for that reason but it's obviously something you thought about and figure it will work for you, so giver. Everything else looks pretty good, I like it.

Assuming you are trying to put on lean mass and drop some bodyfat, why the dbol midway and not right off the hop?

I will almost certainly gain bodyfat but will try not to go above 15%. Will do about 3-400 grams of protein a day.

The most bloat, strength from androgens will be toward the tail end of the cycle when I'm hoping to push the most weight rather than at the beginning where I'm getting used to new exercises and pacing. I also tolerate tbol better and it's an easier startup for me. Back pumps when I'm not even pushing heavy weights yet don't seem worth while.

[baza]

Cool. Seems like you have your plan. I will be following!

[JonnyO]

I would start with the first combo with a test and Nandrolone instead of NPP the first phase, 2nd phase tren enth instead of Tren Ace, 3rd phase NPP looks good and 4th Tren ace. Run the longer esters to start, short esters to finish at the end is how I'd do it.

Also scrap the GH as IMHO thats a therapeutic dosage and worthless in a bulking phase. Save it for the Spring cutter.

[tiramisu]

I would start with the first combo with a test and Nandrolone instead of NPP the first phase, 2nd phase tren enth instead of Tren Ace, 3rd phase NPP looks good and 4th Tren ace. Run the longer esters to start, short esters to finish at the end is how I'd do it.

Also scrap the GH as IMHO thats a therapeutic dosage and worthless in a bulking phase. Save it for the Spring cutter.


I appreciate the suggestion on esters but will be going w/ Test-e, Tren-a and NPP as that's what's in my cupboard. I'm finding the GH seems to help with the bodyfat (I'm old) and the therapeutic dose actually helps a bit although arguably it's not worth the money. I will also be using humalog - 5 iu's with breakfast and another 5 iu's post workout.

[punkrock]

I thought that test would help your recovery even when your not training as intensely. It might be just as easy to keep the test dose the same on your two week "breaks". Just my opinion though. Looks hardcore otherwise!

[C-money]

Ya bro beastly cycle.. looking forward to the updates!

[tiramisu]

I thought that test would help your recovery even when your not training as intensely. It might be just as easy to keep the test dose the same on your two week "breaks". Just my opinion though. Looks hardcore otherwise!

You may be right but I've found that decreasing my blood levels is an easy way to bring my BP down. I'll be monitoring as I go. I don't expect HPTA recovery just bloat and associated BP risk reduction. As to whether this is optimal or not I don't know. It seems a bit of a waste to keep my hormone levels up when I'm decreasing exercise intensity. Blood levels of Test E are lower @ the end of the 2 weeks but still pretty darn high.

Day 42: 1240.5mg T, 214.4mg E/D/T
Day 56: 921.7mg T, 13.3mg E/D/T

Another alternative would be not to take any test through the 2 week cruise

Day 56: 379.2mg T, 13.3mg E/D/T

bringing back down into what would definitely be a very high but generally low sides range.

100 mg is about a "normal" blood level of test

[O-Train]

I have no personal experience but everything I've read leads me to believe that keeping hormone levels stabile is in your best interest/decreases the occurance of side effects. Combining high dose test with fluctuating blood levels seems like a bad idea to me. Why not just run a consistant lower dosage? Just my 2 cents.

[tiramisu]

I appreciate your 2 cents. I am trying to minimize the impact of high dose test in this case RATHER than sticking with a stable and safer 500 mg blood level throughout. I do recognize and accept the associated sides and am certainly not recommending it to anyone. I also reserve the right to bail out at any time.