How does this look for a cycle?

[MMASTAR]

week 1 -18 500mg test enth
week 18-20 500iu HCG e3d
nolvadex 20mg ed
week 20-24 nolavadex 20mg ed
aromosin 12.5mg ed

If i see signs of gyno during cycle i will use nolvadex immediately. As well i was thinking of running clen during pct to prevent catabolism. Is my PCT set up properly? Any thoughts and comments are welcome. This would be my first inject cycle. I guess all the "test is best" finally got to me. Thanks guys.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

The backbone of it looks fine.

A few things:

-Why so long? You could consider a 12 weeker
-HCG? Ok given that it is your first cycle, perhaps use KISS techniques and omit HCG.
YOU will experience shut down, there is no doubt, but not a drastic one IMO

Test Enan is not known to me for gyno sparks, but then again we are not all the same.
Nolva at 20mgs ED is fine, but not necessary.

Provide:

-Height
-Weight
-BF% average
-Years training/age
-Objective within the cycle in weight gains or so.



B2J

[MMASTAR]

6'2 205 lbs BF% im guessing under 15% been lifting for 5 years I will use this as a cutting cycle. I will be dieting throughout. What are the kiss techniques? and what would you suggest for pct then?

[theboss]

agree..i wouldnt do it so long...12 weeks is good...
and i wouldnt do nolva everyday during cycle....estrogen is your friend.
i dont see a problem with HCG for last couple weeks..but like B2J said..not necessary

[MMASTAR]

K so 12 weeks it is then.. and i only said nolva during cycle if i see gyno.. not ED. So for Pct just start nolva @20mg ed and aromosin @12.5mg ed 2 weeks after last inject?

[Born2Juice4Ever]

K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid

Your cycle break down stipulates NOLVA ED
then your notes say that you will use "IF" ---you see the confusion??

I would say keep nolva on the side. if gyno sparks, you can fight it and treat it---it will take 10-14 days 60mgs ED for the full 10-14 days or until it digresses...but don't worry about it now.

Nolva is also great against water retention, but depending on your diet, even a little water retention won't hurt you.

Nolva PCT:
-2 weeks after your last shot 60mgs ED for 14 days
-40mgs ED for an additional 7 days
-Aroma will be your choice, but not needed IMO either

I am a big user of clomid for PCT, and have used it for many many years successfully
Incorporated clomid/nolva pct with excellent results.

week 1 pct:
nolva 60/clomid 100
week 2 PCT:
nolva 40/clomid 50

Would be MY personal choice.

I would just like to see a simple effective cycle as your first.

Glad you agreed to keep it to 12 weeks.


Time to grow!!


B2J

[GYMBRAT]

I agree wit B2J! heed the good advice, and good luck with your cycle bro keep us posted

I'm a very big believer in SIMPLE CYCLES!

[MMASTAR]

it just says week 18-20 nolva ed because you are suspossed to run it with hcg..and i have never heard anyone say 60mg ed of nolva.. i thought 40 was tops... but ok.. so scrap the first plan.. here we go..

week 1-12 500mg test enth
week 14-15 60mg ed nolva
week 16 40mg ed nolva

So if gyno happens on cycle will nolva be fine or should i have something else on hand?

[Born2Juice4Ever]

it just says week 18-20 nolva ed because you are suspossed to run it with hcg..and i have never heard anyone say 60mg ed of nolva.. i thought 40 was tops... but ok.. so scrap the first plan.. here we go..

week 1-12 500mg test enth
week 14-15 60mg ed nolva
week 16 40mg ed nolva

So if gyno happens on cycle will nolva be fine or should i have something else on hand?


Different PCTs protocol for different cycles right?

You are about to engage into a very smooth cycle, and your kick back time should be nice and easy.
More complex and or heavy cycles will require a more aggressive PCT approach.

Nolva is sufficient against test enan gyno.
for me it is deca, I cannot see a bottle of deca, because I get gyno. Nolva is not good against deca gyno.
I will always fight gyno sides, because I love deca just as much hahahha



B2J

[Kronis]

it just says week 18-20 nolva ed because you are suspossed to run it with hcg..and i have never heard anyone say 60mg ed of nolva.. i thought 40 was tops... but ok.. so scrap the first plan.. here we go..

week 1-12 500mg test enth
week 14-15 60mg ed nolva
week 16 40mg ed nolva

So if gyno happens on cycle will nolva be fine or should i have something else on hand?

Just my personal experience, I ran a similar cycle and had 40mg nolva caps for my pct but went down to 40mg EOD the last week and about 2-3 weeks after PCT I had major estrogen rebound and got some gyno on my left side.

If it's possible I'd go with aromasin for post-cycle, at least that's my personal plan.

[MMASTAR]

So many diffrent opinions...anyone else care to chime in? I would especially like opinions on pct, as well what is best to use if you see gyno during cycle? I just want to make sure i have everything on hand i need.

[L3]

for gyno during cycle, jump on the aromasin becasue it will destroy the actual enzyme.. and wont give you any "rebound"

for your pct, go with clomid over nolva, nolva is shown to reduce igf-1

i would do PCT, use dave palumbo's method posted on the forum if you are unsure of what to do

[MMASTAR]

I cant find the palumbo protocall...

[theboss]

i also prefer clomid over nolva.......

but i will say that my 1st cycle (test & dbol) i used nolva and it worked fine....

some people hate clomid..i think its good to see what works for you...but i think clomid is alot better for cycles when tren or deca are invloved...i only have nolva around for gyno reduction.

[C-money]

Im with geo on this one... 18 weeks of 500mgs is no big deal! go for it! I did a 20+ week of test last winter.... LOVED it!

[meathead]

Born2Juice4Ever's advice seems solid to me.

If this is your first "inject" cycle keep the nolva on hand and use it if and when you start to feel any sign's of gyno.

Nolva is definitely sufficient against test enanthate gyno.

You say this is your "first inject cycle" Was your first cycle orals only? What did you use?

IMO Aroma can be used during but I would only use it if your really prone to "sides" and it shouldn't be needed for PCT.

[rufusrocks]

it just says week 18-20 nolva ed because you are suspossed to run it with hcg..and i have never heard anyone say 60mg ed of nolva.. i thought 40 was tops... but ok.. so scrap the first plan.. here we go..

week 1-12 500mg test enth
week 14-15 60mg ed nolva
week 16 40mg ed nolva

So if gyno happens on cycle will nolva be fine or should i have something else on hand?

nolva is best for gyno but don't use it unless. thing is first time on test you have no idea what will happen. you might retain water. it's always better to start your first time with test to build not cut. IMHO lots of cardio and keep your proteins high and glutamine.

if you are set on it ...

12 wks 400 test wk

2 wks later pct pesonally 60 mgs of nolva ed is high

i'd go 40 then 20 but that's me.

good luck, never did that cycle to cut... ask for help i'm sure the peeps here will....

[tex]

i <3 boobs. but not on men......run aromasin if gyno appears and run it during pct.....hit the hcg for sure...recovery is way easier.....i like nolva but i havent run clomid so I am biased....

[theboss]

Im with geo on this one... 18 weeks of 500mgs is no big deal! go for it! I did a 20+ week of test last winter.... LOVED it!


i THINK this is his 1st inj. cycle.....but i could be wrong.

[MMASTAR]

i THINK this is his 1st inj. cycle.....but i could be wrong.

you are correct sir... im gonna keep it to 12 -14 weeks.. im just mostly concerned about gyno and what to have on hand in case, as well as proper PCT,,