First Cycle - Test & Dbol

[growbig]

Hey guys,

I'm new here and have been working out for about 2 years. I workout hard 5 days a week, eat clean and eat about 5-6 meals a day. My goals consist of constant strength gain and size.

I haven't run a cycle yet, but I have been contemplating it for awhile now and continue to evaluate as I stumble upon more options.

However I know for a first cycle it is best to keep it simple and I feel that considering the goals I have in mind (bulking/strength+size) I should run a 12 week Test Ethanate cycle 500mg and kickstart with Dianabol 25mg (weeks 1-6) then finish with PCT 2 weeks after last shot with Nolvadex and clomid.

I am 19 years old and know some people despise against running a cycle so young, but right now I'm just gathering information so I can make a more informed decision.

Thanks

[pseclint]

never run nolvadex and clomid together

[hulkster]

19 is fine IMO

[inxs4u]

never run nolvadex and clomid together

I agree with clint... also try and stay away from the orals if you can as for the PCT read this from Drummer.


http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4863

[meathead]

never run nolvadex and clomid together

Why do you say that? I know there's lots of different opinions out there on PCT. I have been under the impression from reading anabolics 2009 that its standard practice for many to run HCG, clomid and nolva concurrently. Not that I believe everything that I read but I have never seen anybody say not to run the two together? Is there a risk or something I'm missing?

[TryGear]

that's a pretty standard first cycle, if you eat the protien needed with this you should see some great gains.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

never run nolvadex and clomid together


I will like to know more on this post please.
Can you provide several articles, or sources of info in regards to why nolva and clomid aren't to be run together?




Thank you


b2j

[L3]

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[Redz]

never run nolvadex and clomid together What a load of crap, I always run both. I have never heard any site make this perticular bogus claim.

To the OP that is a good pct for that cycle.

[bigtavi8]

not to hijack but what age seems to be the standard to start using aas. Regardless of years of training, diet, and contest expierence how old should you be to begin using aas. Ive heard 21 years and up as a rule of thumb becuase of the high test level associated with teens up to 21 therefore making supplemental hormones not as affective and neccesary.

[Seth]

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[the-vanilla-gorilla]

It's a good first cycle to me
pretty standard
i'd wait till you were 21 like previously posted still have lots of natural potential
i wish i waited!


TVG

[GYMBRAT]

I 'd definitely wait bro, 21+ you have a shit load of time to build up you body! though your cycle does look good to go! simple is best imo....at the right age of course ;)

[ubcpower]

regardless of age, the key thing here is he has only been training properly for 2 years....bro you are just at the beginning...you have a lot of natural gains left in you ...with just two years under your belt why not try some different training styles or programs...also post your diet for some suggestions there