My next bulk cycle , last bulk before comp!

[Skyblob]

Hey guys , its my last bulk cycle before my comp.. In may next year, Québec de L'ouest..
Stats :
5ft9
18y/o
206 lbs
13% BF

Cycle history : 2 cycles done .. used test deca winny and tren in the past..

Test E 1g-1.5g 1-2
Test E 500-750 2-14
HCG 250ui E3D 4-16
Nolvadex 16-21 40/40/20/20/20

Will focus on eating ! .. i grow on 2500 - 3000 cals .. but will eat way more!

my question is .. am i too young or is it useless at my age to use CJC/GHRP-6 combo at saturation doses 100mcg each 3times a day with my test cycle.. Ive seen its good for lowering bf and for the extra hunger.. Please give me your thoughts guys! Thanks !

[Memo]

18 and 2 cycles already.

[Skyblob]

Almost 19 :P

[JonnyO]

not getting any advice from me bro, your way too your to be using that much gear and prolly wont heed the advice anyways.

[GYMBRAT]

^^^BUMP^^^ me neither, sorry bro! WAY TOOOO young to be gearing man seriously!

[C-money]

Like everyone said too young... but the cycle looks fine to me bro.. i love simple cycles like that... And i like that your frontloading... frontloading does work from my own experience

[Skyblob]

Its cool guys its your choice , but ill get advice from other guys anyways .. But i would of liked to get your advices cause i will run roids no matter what .. better do it right than wrong .. so more advices will help me!

[L3]

use clomid instead of nolvadex
dont waste money on the peptides spend it on protein powder or meat

[pseclint]

you are young man especially for 2 cycles, but being 18 you dont care that your shit dont work when your 30 so I'll say skip the frontload, never was a fan of that... otherwise it looks decent at best

[natenator]

Its cool guys its your choice , but ill get advice from other guys anyways .. But i would of liked to get your advices cause i will run roids no matter what .. better do it right than wrong .. so more advices will help me!
classic douche bag material right here.

[Skyblob]

Alright thank! Im only running test just to say ill grow up more than naturally.. i dont want to use 300 compounds, ill keep them for later! So yes im really focusing on diet and training.

[pseclint]

Alright thank! Im only running test just to say ill grow up more than naturally.. i dont want to use 300 compounds, ill keep them for later! So yes im really focusing on diet and training.

he is what you should do, your 18, your bf is 13% and your at 205 and your 5'9..... now I would assume your not exaclty all beef, especially on an 18 year olds frame...... get some protein and a solid diet going, take some tribulus to give you your test boost because lets face it you have a lot of test in you already..... the reason 18 year olds push gear is because they dont like the way they look, usually they are too fat or too skinny, its a complex and Im sure we all have one lol..... anyway get over people calling you fat, diet yourself down naturally and excersise regularily, dont pretend like your gonna do a bodybuilding show, because we all know you are not going to, its an excuse we have all prolly used at one time or another to justify using steroids......

here is my point, we are here to give advice, the advice we are giving is to get your diet and training in check first, a lot of us have taking the road to anabolics wayyyyy to fast so this advice isnt to be dicks but to save yourself from our mistakes, I did my first cycle at 20, a smaller one but still, now that was prolly a little soon but I was training hard since I was 16, dieted welll and took it serious........

So do what you have to do but just know, when your the 30 year old giving advice to the 18 year old that is on a cycle and he tells you to go **** yourself you will know what we are talking about......

anyway most 18 year olds are broke ass, so spend that money on food rather than gear anyway, unless you still live with your parents....

that is all

[tex]

he's done 2 cycles. he is training for a comp. he wants to see if he can do this for a living. not saying it's right but he does research...asks questions and has a goal in mind unlike others on this board that are the same age and running more gear (sorry dk) with no goal cept for looking good. with that said....drop the front load.....we are going for stable blood levels......no need for peptides....like the other guy said....use that money to buy more food.....im happy to see you running a test only cycle for once....good luck and keep us posted!

[Gemini]

At least wait till your're 21 like I did to try all this stuff. Your body probably still hasn't finish growing.

[varking]

I have used Gear at a young age and I`m not that old but the only person who knows if you are ready for juice is you>>>> If you are 13 percent bodyfat you are not ready to use it... get that down to 10 max and see what weight you are at if over 195lbs at your height and you are trainning and eating like a bodybuilder then game on tell then work on this...

[MikeyFXD35]

If your doing your research have you seen the video on steroid.com. Steroids and Teens

http://www.steroid.com/

[PdH]

the only person who knows if you are ready for juice is you

Holy oversimplified self-justification Batman! 18 is too young to be using gear period. Teens who use androgens are going to seal their growth plates prematurely along with a host of other nasties when they come off, good PCT notwithstanding.

[daande]

I would run something like this (18 is to young for juice but you have already done it):

Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E
Weeks 1-10: 400mg Tren E
Weeks 4-8: 50mg Anadrol ED

PCT Crank 10,000 iu of HCG with aromasin and nolvadex.

[Ritch]

I would run something like this (18 is to young for juice but you have already done it):

Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E
Weeks 1-10: 400mg Tren E
Weeks 4-8: 50mg Anadrol ED

PCT Crank 10,000 iu of HCG with aromasin and nolvadex.

That`s just nuts.

[bigtavi8]

Skyblob thinking about competing now ehh...MAybe you should just get a blood panel done at the docs before you start seeing that your not really old enough yet...just so you know how your recovering from your past cycles and so you can gauge your recovery for this one.. just a thought! Let us know how your prep going once you start and dont be afraid to ask questions to these guys for precontest prep...during my first show my thread saved my life and gave me a lot of info..maybe start a blog for us to follow...

[PdH]

I would run something like this (18 is to young for juice but you have already done it):

Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E
Weeks 1-10: 400mg Tren E
Weeks 4-8: 50mg Anadrol ED

PCT Crank 10,000 iu of HCG with aromasin and nolvadex.

Why not throw some Cheque Drops in there? The fact that he's already used gear is good justification for all the sides at 18. :rolleyes:

[Tballs]

he's done 2 cycles. he is training for a comp. he wants to see if he can do this for a living. not saying it's right but he does research...asks questions and has a goal in mind unlike others on this board that are the same age and running more gear (sorry dk) with no goal cept for looking good. with that said....drop the front load.....we are going for stable blood levels......no need for peptides....like the other guy said....use that money to buy more food.....im happy to see you running a test only cycle for once....good luck and keep us posted!

couldnt agree more. its good that he is trying to get cycle advice, instead of running dbol only like most guys his age.

[tex]

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[Skyblob]

Wow sorry guys i was gone for the weekend and missed all your posts! A big thanks at all of you , even the ones who are against the fact that i use roids at my age! I know your there to help me. But you all know that at 18 .. if we have in the head we will do something we will do it lol.. But just to clarify, i really want to do comp.. its not an excuse! I have the frame to do comp.. My noob excuse is : I dont do legs cause ive hurt my knee ( 6 months ago ) .. lol.. so its 6 months i didnt did legs .. will have to do them cause i know its the wheels and the back they mostly look ( judges ).. But i will keep you guys updated and all my diet and cycle and precontest will be on the boards , I'm here to learn. Big thanks to everyone! Really really appreciated !

[ironwill]

Its cool guys its your choice , but ill get advice from other guys anyways .. But i would of liked to get your advices cause i will run roids no matter what .. better do it right than wrong .. so more advices will help me!
Bro......dont be messing with peptides yet....And imo, you should wait awhile before going all out....your body and MIND are still growing my man......
Like it or not, test affects much of your body, that is still in developmental stages...I think you may regret use later in life....
So as a responsible individual, that is all i can give you on that....:)

[GYMBRAT]

Holy oversimplified self-justification Batman! 18 is too young to be using gear period. Teens who use androgens are going to seal their growth plates prematurely along with a host of other nasties when they come off, good PCT notwithstanding.

VERY WELL SAID PdH!!!......oh and "frontloading" is for the frigin birds if ya ask me, of my own experience with trying it!!! (waist of gear/money)!

...either way Skyblob, we all just want ya to make smart educated decisions and most of all I'm sure every1 will agree BE SAFE bro! ;)

[Carbonbase]

Ironwill...you in shape all year round?
I'm jelous!
I'm at 226lbs 16% BFA (body fat ass...lol)
I got to reduce my carbs.

18 is too young!

[ironwill]

Ironwill...you in shape all year round?
I'm jelous!
I'm at 226lbs 16% BFA (body fat ass...lol)
I got to reduce my carbs.

18 is too young!
not last yr...i was bedridden ill, got tubby....but for the most part....yes i am...this yr especially...thanks for the compliments./..:)

[Carbonbase]

^^^^^No prob buddy!
Makes me want to get my diet down to point and reduce my BF.
Summer time...too much icecream temptations...lol

[Blitz-Test]

I hope all the guys competing at the O this fall waited until they were 21+ before using gear....


If someone is a gym rat no need to use gear at all really doesnt matter age... You cannot justify it...

If someone is going to compete, every year they hold out on juice is a year behind the rest of the competitors aslong as your diet and training is progressing with age....

[C-money]

I hope all the guys competing at the O this fall waited until they were 21+ before using gear....


If someone is a gym rat no need to use gear at all really doesnt matter age... You cannot justify it...

If someone is going to compete, every year they hold out on juice is a year behind the rest of the competitors aslong as your diet and training is progressing with age....

Well said sir

[ironwill]

I hope all the guys competing at the O this fall waited until they were 21+ before using gear....


If someone is a gym rat no need to use gear at all really doesnt matter age... You cannot justify it...

If someone is going to compete, every year they hold out on juice is a year behind the rest of the competitors aslong as your diet and training is progressing with age....
good points, but honestly, teenaged folks are to young....should wait until all is formed in pituitary gland, and all hormones balance out...THEN, go hard .....or hard as safe blood work allows...Thats just me....im a bit more conservative in the hormone department.....Things are still balancing out at 18.....Ive had many a convo with young guys at the gym, and have convinced several that it is decent advice....Some dont care, so you try and help them be responsible at the very least......

[natenator]

good points, but honestly, teenaged folks are to young....should wait until all is formed in pituitary gland, and all hormones balance out...THEN, go hard .....or hard as safe blood work allows...Thats just me....im a bit more conservative in the hormone department.....Things are still balancing out at 18.....Ive had many a convo with young guys at the gym, and have convinced several that it is decent advice....Some dont care, so you try and help them be responsible at the very least......
I agree. Just because others have doesn't mean you should. I'm pretty sure most bodybuilders on the Olympia stage abuse the drugs that they take so does that mean we competitors (aspiring or otherwise) should as well?

18 is too young. 19 is too young. Under 25 is too young as well unless you've trained at an elite level to push your body as far as it could go naturally for quite sometime. These are just my opinions obviously. Just kills me when people think drugs will make all the difference when hard work and proper nutrition is what will get the job done.

[Skyblob]

If i stay natural .. is it too late or the damage is done with my 2 cycles? And when i'll re-do roids lets say at 22 ( in 4 years ) ( example ) will i have some great gains because it will be my first cycle or will my body remember that ive done steroids and i will have to up the dosage or more compounds or w/e .. In other words .. does my body tolerance for steroids goes down with time

[PdH]

I don't know if anyone can evaluate whether the damage has been done without proper medical tests, but the point is you will continue to damage yourself further if you stay on at your age.

In regard to your other question, in my experience, if you remain natural for four years, your initial gains on gear afterward will be excellent.

[Skyblob]

Aight ! thanks ! But ive done bloodworks and everything is excellent except cortisol levels ! Due to my life style i had in the past months ! Now im ok and I have no more stress.

[natenator]

Aight ! thanks ! But ive done bloodworks and everything is excellent except cortisol levels ! Due to my life style i had in the past months ! Now im ok and I have no more stress.
blood work doesn't reveal the damage done to growth plates, endo system, etc.

[Skyblob]

Well damage is done so will have to live with it, if any sides appears over the years! For now i'm top shape.. naturally! Specially my libido ! =)