WHY Peptides are awesome

[CMS Pimp]

Guys, thought Id let you know a little of em compared to GH.

Although GH is very popular around here, and results speak for themselves, some peptides can help your body produce your OWN GH, and unlike what many think, there is no desensitization with these.

100 mcg GHRP-2 + 100 mcg CJC 3 times a day is equal to about 15 IUs of GH a day. (the GHRP-2 can be replaced by GHRP-6 and the CJC can be replaced by GRF(1-29) and synergy will still be obtained).

If you have any questions regarding them, feel free to ask!

They are all available HERE:
http://www.canadianmedsupplies.com/category.sc?categoryId=16

[Memo]

interesting.

[tiramisu]

Not to sound like a doubting thomas but I don't see how a Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide that stimulates the pituitary gland to release GH is going to be the equivalent of 15 iu's a day of GH.

I'm willing to accept that they do indeed work to help increase the pulses but this claim seems grossly exagerrated.

[nitrous]

Not to sound like a doubting thomas but I don't see how a Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide that stimulates the pituitary gland to release GH is going to be the equivalent of 15 iu's a day of GH.

I'm willing to accept that they do indeed work to help increase the pulses but this claim seems grossly exagerrated.

agreed.. and that would be extremely hard to measure

[kloan]

This would be spam if it wasn't a board sponsor posting it.

I don't think I agree with the purpose of this post.

If you're going to post claiming peptides are better than X, then how about posting actual studies backing it up? Otherwise it's nothing more than plain 'ol shilling.

[tiramisu]

I spent an hour reading grhp/cjc logs and datbtrue comments and it is certainly an interesting combination and I will likely have my rat experiment. I look forward to moree facts.

[JonnyO]

please show me evidence that points that combo will produce similar results as 15iu HGH a day.

[kloan]

fo' sure.. if its true id be jumpin on tha train in no time

[Mad-Bull]

As stated above, show the faqs

[tiramisu]

I think I found the reference...


Growth Hormone Administration vs. CJC-1295/GHRP-6 + GHRH part I

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/peptides-growth-factors/37381-dats-cjc-1295-ghrp-6-basic-guides.html#post435292

[CMS Pimp]

Yes exactly. this thread shows everything you need to know about them. No need for me to quote them all..

In comparison to synthetic GH administration we find that:

22iu of synthetic GH results in 495 - 585 ng/ml
Saturation doses of GHRH & GHRP results in 130 - 170 ng/ml

These results indicate that 22iu is between 3.8 and 3.4 more efficacious then a single administration of GHRH & GHRP which means that a single dose of GHRH & GHRP has the potential to produce better then the equivalent of 5iu of GH in plasma.

A dosing protocol of GHRH + GHRP at saturation dose, administered 3 times per day has the potential to exceed the equivalent of 15iu.

Note though that using this methodology GHRP-6 at a saturation dose by itself may add the equivalent of 1.4 to 1.8 iu per administration... or 4.2 to 5.4 iu per day if administered three times.

[Kronis]

That study also says


Total GH Release:

The Alfonso Leal-Cerro study demonstrated the following GH release:

GHRH by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 1420 ± 330 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measued in hours we get about: 25 ng/ml

GHRP-6 by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 2278 ± 290 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measued in hours we get about: 40 ng/ml

GHRH + GHRP-6 dosed together at 100mcg each resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 7332 ± 592 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measued in hours we get about: 130 ng/ml

The Bowers study demonstrated that a small dose of GHRP (.1mcg/kg) added to a saturation dose of GHRH (1mcg/kg) resulted in the following GH release:

(AUC) 120 minutes = 10,065 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measued in hours we get about: 170 ng/ml

So you could run 10mcg GHRP with 100mcg GHRH and get better results than 100/100.

[CMS Pimp]

That study also says



So you could run 10mcg GHRP with 100mcg GHRH and get better results than 100/100.

Interesting...

[tiramisu]

... My rat wants to believe. 2.5 iu's of gh per day isn't doing much for him other than making him poor and he simply can't afford the 1 iu / kg / week of gh required to be impressed.

My rat needs to get a job.

[deleteduser0002]

Its got my curiosity up for sure. Just waiting to hear some more real world feedback before I try it out for myself.

[physique]

This would be spam if it wasn't a board sponsor posting it.

I don't think I agree with the purpose of this post.

If you're going to post claiming peptides are better than X, then how about posting actual studies backing it up? Otherwise it's nothing more than plain 'ol shilling.

So everyone knows it is not me under a different name. this guy is posting his own researched claims. He just happened to give me a plug.

[varking]

I would like to see if this is true might have to try it out see how I like it..

[tex]

So everyone knows it is not me under a different name. this guy is posting his own researched claims. He just happened to give me a plug. word. we know you arent like that bro......

[kloan]

So everyone knows it is not me under a different name. this guy is posting his own researched claims. He just happened to give me a plug.


didn't think it was you under a different name, but maybe someone who works for you.. considering the name CMS_Pimp....

[Kronis]

didn't think it was you under a different name, but maybe someone who works for you.. considering the name CMS_Pimp....

I almost expected a referral link in his sig.

[physique]

didn't think it was you under a different name, but maybe someone who works for you.. considering the name CMS_Pimp....

no one works for me on this site. hell on any site. i am a one man show. hence why i cant always be around to enter track numbers into the system and to answer emails.

but i thank mr. pimp for the plug regardless.

[Mr Ontario]

it's all for educational purposes anyways...so it's not biggie :)

[Descimus]

Seems to good to be true.. I am more then tempted. Anyone can elaborate on how long you can run this 1 month on 1 month off or it should be considered like hgh for a streak of 6 month minimum? would 50mcg of ghrp-2 and cjc would be enough for someone who as trouble handling more then 2.5 ui of gh...

[cog]

Your endogenous gh is superior to exogenous gh,Descimus.At reasonable amoumts it should be able to be used continuously.Check the graphs in Gustavo's sticky.

[Praetorian]

Save your money and get GH youll be much happier with the results.
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[Praetorian]

[QUOTE=cog;250305]Your endogenous gh is superior to exogenous gh,Descimus.At reasonable amoumts it should be able to be used continuously.Check the graphs in Gustavo's sticky.[/QUOT

Bullcrap....prove your statement....exogenous GH if its 191aa is identical in structure to endogenous GH...its called recombinant DNA technology.
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[cog]

OK,I am leaving for the weekend to Cranbrook,as I understand it exogenous is not the full spectrum,I guess this will call for something from a study to convince you,if that can be done....whoever you might believe designed us had a reason...to be continued.

[greekgod]

Guys, thought Id let you know a little of em compared to GH.

Although GH is very popular around here, and results speak for themselves, some peptides can help your body produce your OWN GH, and unlike what many think, there is no desensitization with these.

100 mcg GHRP-2 + 100 mcg CJC 3 times a day is equal to about 15 IUs of GH a day. (the GHRP-2 can be replaced by GHRP-6 and the CJC can be replaced by GRF(1-29) and synergy will still be obtained).

If you have any questions regarding them, feel free to ask!

They are all available HERE:
http://www.canadianmedsupplies.com/category.sc?categoryId=16

If this dosage is equal to 15IUs of GH/day, won't this lead to severe side effects such as gut growth, caveman skull, etc?

[Mr.Meat]

Save your money and get GH youll be much happier with the results.
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My sentiments exactly... The fact that you can't find one stright answer on what kind of results you can get using these compounds is a huge red flag...

[Ritch]

My sentiments exactly... The fact that you can't find one stright answer on what kind of results you can get using these compounds is a huge red flag...

So true. And I`ve given up trying to look for them.

[St]

please show me evidence that points that combo will produce similar results as 15iu HGH a day.

You know whatever people say is the Holy Grail.;)

[TryGear]

Can anyone state personal results of using ghrp/ghrh say with a simple test cycle
including dose and duration? I'm really intrigued and want to read personal experiances first

[canadianmuscle0803]

Save your money and get GH youll be much happier with the results.
P

good call bro..

[ryankely]

google Datbtrue ghrp-6 or cjc-1295.(hours of reading) He has extensive experience with both(years) they do work, if what you have is real,and you run them the proper way for long enough.

[Ritch]

google Datbtrue ghrp-6 or cjc-1295.(hours of reading) He has extensive experience with both(years) they do work, if what you have is real,and you run them the proper way for long enough.

I`ve read the whole thread. Lot`s of interesting graphs and stuff that supposes stuff, but still, not much real life feedback with actual bodybuilders... Maybe 10, tops on that site. And 3 good logs with people posting results. For all we know they could have been given peptides from some of the shady sponsors on that site to stir up curiosity. Until I start hearing bro`s from this site say it`s good to go, I don`t think I will be using the stuff. And Datbtrue can go **** himself, cocky, arrogant mother****er he is.

[daande]

I`ve read the whole thread. Lot`s of interesting graphs and stuff that supposes stuff, but still, not much real life feedback with actual bodybuilders... Maybe 10, tops on that site. And 3 good logs with people posting results. For all we know they could have been given peptides from some of the shady sponsors on that site to stir up curiosity. Until I start hearing bro`s from this site say it`s good to go, I don`t think I will be using the stuff. And Datbtrue can go **** himself, cocky, arrogant mother****er he is.

Does Datbtrue think hes a scientist? I do not get it. I could go write up some scientific sounding bullshit with some excel graphs with all random fake numbers. Would people believe that to. I am with Ritch on this I have some ghrp-6 but I am not going to use it until I see some real feedback from trusted people on this site. Thats just my oppinion. I do not get why people would believe some random person on what to inject into themselves.

[tiramisu]

Feedback from "trusted" people is the last thing you should trust. There is adequate research on PubMed to show GHRP / CJC in combination can raise GH production to the level of a young healthy person. For us old guys 40+ that's probably the equivalent of a couple of iu's and is a fair bit less expensive than HGH.

However, I find nothing in any of the studies showing supra-physiologic outputs of GH/IGF-1 as the result of taking ghrp/cjc.

So this is a great combination for GH therapy as used in the same responsible manner as real TRT therapy but is not a replacement for mega dosing of gh with insulin to grow your own personal turtle tummy.

AGAIN do not believe me or anyone else. Read peer reviewed medical studies on pubmed.

[IronRobi]

Does Datbtrue think hes a scientist? I do not get it. I could go write up some scientific sounding bullshit with some excel graphs with all random fake numbers. Would people believe that to. I am with Ritch on this I have some ghrp-6 but I am not going to use it until I see some real feedback from trusted people on this site. Thats just my oppinion. I do not get why people would believe some random person on what to inject into themselves.

I've been using gh but just decided to try ghrp-6 yesterday. It's only been 1 shot so far but I'll be able to compare the 2 after a few months.

[Ritch]

Feedback from "trusted" people is the last thing you should trust. There is adequate research on PubMed to show GHRP / CJC in combination can raise GH production to the level of a young healthy person. For us old guys 40+ that's probably the equivalent of a couple of iu's and is a fair bit less expensive than HGH.

However, I find nothing in any of the studies showing supra-physiologic outputs of GH/IGF-1 as the result of taking ghrp/cjc.

So this is a great combination for GH therapy as used in the same responsible manner as real TRT therapy but is not a replacement for mega dosing of gh with insulin to grow your own personal turtle tummy.

AGAIN do not believe me or anyone else. Read peer reviewed medical studies on pubmed.

I didn`t check those studies but feel like a broken record for saying this again, but... Were those studies done on bodybuilders who lift weights? As I said earlier, it`s just stuff supposing stuff...

What do you mean don`t take advice from people? Did you get all you ASS advice from pub med studies? I`m guessing not. So why then do you say this? There have been no studies showing trenbolone or equipoise being effective in humans, but real life results do show this!...

[tiramisu]

It is not stuff supposing stuff. It is controlled experimentation with reviews of the methods and the results. The shit that you are reading on that other site is stuff supposing stuff. While there are no studies on trenbolone persay there are plenty on nandrolone derivatives and aas in general. Steroids have been used commonly for well over 60 years. If you don't believe in the scientific method and prefer some 16 year old ****wit telling you that a protein peptide that stimulates the pituitary to release GH is magically growing 20 pounds of muscle you go right ahead.

[Ritch]

^^^ Is that you Datbtrue? Sounds like you, lol. O.k. so there`s a study as you say showing it brings up gh levels to healthy humans. But saying, then if you do this... You will have the equivalent of 15 iu`s. Pure horse shit. It`s a big leap of faith to believe this. Anyone who thinks that is living is la la land...

[tiramisu]

The 15 iu's is obvious horseshit from an obvious shill. That's the problem with "trusted" sources and bro-science. The studies say the stuff works, and works pretty darn well for...

A male with reduced endogenous GH production (i.e. an old guy) and can bring the GH / IGF-1 levels up to a normal healthy level.

For me that's probably the equivalent of about 2 iu's per day plus or minus a bit at 40 plus years old. For a twenty something year old it's likely a complete waste of time and money. For a forty something year old it's likely a good use of money if used in the same way hrt is.

This is what the studies say if you actually take the time to ****ing read them. You really should take the time instead of just flailing about arguing randomly.

[Ritch]

The 15 iu's is obvious horseshit from an obvious shill. That's the problem with "trusted" sources and bro-science. The studies say the stuff works, and works pretty darn well for...

A male with reduced endogenous GH production (i.e. an old guy) and can bring the GH / IGF-1 levels up to a normal healthy level.

For me that's probably the equivalent of about 2 iu's per day plus or minus a bit at 40 plus years old. For a twenty something year old it's likely a complete waste of time and money. For a forty something year old it's likely a good use of money if used in the same way hrt is.

This is what the studies say if you actually take the time to ****ing read them. You really should take the time instead of just flailing about arguing randomly.

Dude, I knew about that study, but what I ask for are the one`s that relate to bodybuilders. There are none. End of story. End of peptide glory.

[tiramisu]

Dude, I knew about that study, but what I ask for are the one`s that relate to bodybuilders. There are none. End of story. End of peptide glory.

What makes you think that exercise is a component of GH or IGF-1 release as the result of taking GHRH or CJC-1295? These are not anabolic stroids.

If your GH production is already good they won't help you much and if it is reduced they will. Bodybuilding is not related to this statement in any way.

The question "Do these peptides work and to what extent?" is fairly well answered by the studies.

If you want to ask a different question like...

What effect does the secretion of GH or IGF-1 have on muscle anabolism with or without the addition of insulin? You can likely look that up as well and probably should.

The use of supra-phyiological dosing of gh to add muscle is in the realm of bro-science as there won't be studies available as this in the frankenstein realm of the ifbb ala 1 iu/kg/wk - but again the peptides aren't going to get you there anyway so that question isn't relevant.

[Ritch]

So we agree then it`s useless as being claimed for being the equivalent of bodybuilding doses of GH? Yes? C`ause there is plenty making such statements. But I do hope this to be proven wrong because GH is beyond my price range of affordable product use and peptides are way cheaper. Still I won`t the lab rat for this one...

Anyway, I think we were both arguing about different things. You claiming the peptides being good to bring one up to normal range, me arguing it dosen`t equal the 15iu bullshit being said. Still friends Tiramisu?

Awaits for B2J`s gay comment here...

[ryankely]

I'm not trying for size either,I'm a 40+ male looking for a little anti-ageing, from the reports I've studied,looks likely they will work for my needs. I think peptides have a bad name because most people try it for a couple months(looking to get huge) and say nothing happened. Well no doubt. Nothing would happen using Gh for 2 months either. If your looking to put on 20 pounds,stick with the roids.

[tiramisu]

So we agree then it`s useless as being claimed for being the equivalent of bodybuilding doses of GH? Yes? C`ause there is plenty making such statements. But I do hope this to be proven wrong because GH is beyond my price range of affordable product use and peptides are way cheaper. Still I won`t the lab rat for this one...

Anyway, I think we were both arguing about different things. You claiming the peptides being good to bring one up to normal range, me arguing it dosen`t equal the 15iu bullshit being said. Still friends Tiramisu?

Awaits for B2J`s gay comment here...

Yes I think we agree. There is no evidence that I can find that these peptides provide the ability to raise GH to supra-physiologic levels.

That doesn't make them useless. I think that hrt levels of GH naturally produced at less than half the price and no need to order from china is an extremely good thing and I will almost certainly be lab ratting this.

That said I'm currently using 2.5 iu's of gh a day and it is subtle, body is staying leaner, nails are obviously stronger and healthier.

From a muscle growth perspective the dose is far to low to be significant and between the insulin, test, deca and tbol who could possibly tell.

That is the big problem with bro-science. Everyone is stacking a pudding of drugs. It's hard to tell what works and what is just burning money. My HGH experiment often leaves me feeling like a retard given the extremely high price and the marginal result. I haven't given up on it yet but I can think of plenty of more productive places to put the money.

[cog]

Yes I think we agree. There is no evidence that I can find that these peptides provide the ability to raise GH to supra-physiologic levels.

That doesn't make them useless. I think that hrt levels of GH naturally produced at less than half the price and no need to order from china is an extremely good thing and I will almost certainly be lab ratting this.

That said I'm currently using 2.5 iu's of gh a day and it is subtle, body is staying leaner, nails are obviously stronger and healthier.

From a muscle growth perspective the dose is far to low to be significant and between the insulin, test, deca and tbol who could possibly tell.

That is the big problem with bro-science. Everyone is stacking a pudding of drugs. It's hard to tell what works and what is just burning money. My HGH experiment often leaves me feeling like a retard given the extremely high price and the marginal result. I haven't given up on it yet but I can think of plenty of more productive places to put the money.

Glad to see some common sense finally coming to the surface here.These peptides require a little more planning of your day to be effective as possible.They are not magic bullets.As tiramisu says....the stacks...people searching for sides more than effect!I will be 53 shortly.I can tell you that I feel a difference...I have not used anabolics since 1991,there is nothing to confuse the issue with me.I don't plan on stopping anytime soon.Smaller,saner amounts of gh are better in the long term....

[rufusrocks]

i'm not sure they work. want more test inject it, more GH inject it. less estrogen eat it. more brains read it. more money save it. better body work it. more hair re-sod it. how do i get fat eat it. skeptical ...