you're favourite for fatloss?

[troy_trinity]

just wondering what everyones favourite substance out there for fatloss is.

Please don't say "cardio and diet"- that's a great answer to give an overweight person. But we're talking about bodybuilding here.

We all know DNP is the best- But I wan't to know what everyones favourite is and why.

[4031]

E/C/A stack- cheap,effective, and gives me energy

[theboss]

We all know DNP is the best

WTF ??? .........only if you wanna die!

[canadianmuscle0803]

you wont die off DNP.. there is a right and wrong way to do DNP.. i have seen many users do it properly with much success.. personally, no substance on earth can replace a good diet.

[troy_trinity]

WTF ??? .........only if you wanna die!

Oh god let's not turn this into a DNP thread.

The shit burns fat unlike nothing else- it also has bad ass side effects- lets just leave it at that :)

[canadianmuscle0803]

cytomel works wonders but you must stay anabolic and have a very high protein diet while on T3 or say bye bye to your muscles.

[AlbertaBeef]

I just finished 12 weeks of Palumbo diet runnung 50mg profina ED alternating ECA, Lipo X and helios with 25mcg cytomel ED. I am leaner now than I've been in my life, I went from 242 lbs to 215 lbs with a bf % of I would say 8 or 9 %, using the Parrillo caliper method told me I was 6.5% but I find that hard to beleive.

[Blitz-Test]

DNP is obviously the strongest but I like T3, doesnt have any side effects on me dont notice im on and it significantly speeds fat loss

[troy_trinity]

cytomel works wonders but you must stay anabolic and have a very high protein diet while on T3 or say bye bye to your muscles.

how much protein/ lb of weight do you find you have to eat to keep your muscle?

I've heard a few different answers.


I just finished 12 weeks of Palumbo diet runnung 50mg profina ED alternating ECA, Lipo X and helios with 25mcg cytomel ED. I am leaner now than I've been in my life, I went from 242 lbs to 215 lbs with a bf % of I would say 8 or 9 %, using the Parrillo caliper method told me I was 6.5% but I find that hard to beleive.

what was your starting bf%? did you use any aas?


DNP is obviously the strongest but I like T3, doesnt have any side effects on me dont notice im on and it significantly speeds fat loss

yes I do not like DNP lol... makes me feel, look, and act like absolute shit...

the only thing with T3 once again is how much protein is truly needed for which doseage of T3 and how much aas do you need flowing through your veins?

[canadianmuscle0803]

id say you would need to run test while taking T3 at least 750mg/week and maybe even some tren.. this would also help with keeping your muscle.. as for protein.. 2 grams per 1lbs of bw.. so if your 250.. ud need 500 grams a day.. thats just my opinion.

GH wouldn't hurt either..

[Blitz-Test]

how much protein/ lb of weight do you find you have to eat to keep your muscle?

I've heard a few different answers.



what was your starting bf%? did you use any aas?



yes I do not like DNP lol... makes me feel, look, and act like absolute shit...

the only thing with T3 once again is how much protein is truly needed for which doseage of T3 and how much aas do you need flowing through your veins?

When I ran it it was always at the beginning of a cycle so alot of androgens going into me but 1.5-2g of protein per lb never noticed any catabolism, i know alot of guys that run 250-400mg of test e with t3 every spring and never appear to loose muscle... It is not as catabolic as people think

[troy_trinity]

id say you would need to run test while taking T3 at least 750mg/week and maybe even some tren.. this would also help with keeping your muscle.. as for protein.. 2 grams per 1lbs of bw.. so if your 250.. ud need 500 grams a day.. thats just my opinion.

GH wouldn't hurt either..

hmmm... I'm currently only on 500mg's of test/ week and would like to stay at that doseage and deffinately ain't touching tren for another 8 weeks at least lol.

How much T3 are you refering to for those guidelines?

also 2gr's/lb of weight or lb of lbm?

[troy_trinity]

When I ran it it was always at the beginning of a cycle so alot of androgens going into me but 1.5-2g of protein per lb never noticed any catabolism, i know alot of guys that run 250-400mg of test e with t3 every spring and never appear to loose muscle... It is not as catabolic as people think

hmmm- slightly conflicting posts from the 2 of you lol.

[tums1000]

t3,helios is pretty good gets me pumped up.

[sixguns]

troy you getting fat on us?!?! lol, i dont notice much of anything from the t3 been taking it for 7 months, played around with high doses and tapering at the beginning but ive never noticed much from it, im still taking it at 12.5 mcg /day through my pct to avoid any rebound, if at all, and will be discontinuing after pct, i will find out if it infact does eat muscles now that im in pct, even though everyone says to do otherwise, i want to find out for myself, i have always been skeptical as to if t3 IS actually catabolic at a low dose because i have never seen any proof

as for the fat burners i trying all the good ones on the market while cutting this spring summer, and besides dnp i got my best results from aboleo, mainly do to the appetite suppessant meridia in it, but if you dont have a problem with cravings i would recommend lipo ex, very potent stuff, seems to be very hard on your receptors so maybe a one and one with eca would be more beneficial than a 2 and 2, as the effects always seem to be down after the first week, i think i got up to 7 pills a day by the end of week 2, lol, i dont recommend this. stick to 4 and under

[troy_trinity]

troy you getting fat on us?!?! lol, i dont notice much of anything from the t3 been taking it for 7 months, played around with high doses and tapering at the beginning but ive never noticed much from it, im still taking it at 12.5 mcg /day through my pct to avoid any rebound, if at all, and will be discontinuing after pct, i will find out if it infact does eat muscles now that im in pct, even though everyone says to do otherwise, i want to find out for myself, i have always been skeptical as to if t3 IS actually catabolic at a low dose because i have never seen any proof

as for the fat burners i trying all the good ones on the market while cutting this spring summer, and besides dnp i got my best results from aboleo, mainly do to the appetite suppessant meridia in it, but if you dont have a problem with cravings i would recommend lipo ex, very potent stuff, seems to be very hard on your receptors so maybe a one and one with eca would be more beneficial than a 2 and 2, as the effects always seem to be down after the first week, i think i got up to 7 pills a day by the end of week 2, lol, i dont recommend this. stick to 4 and under

lol i put on some bf% brosef :( Not fat but not in the single digits which is where i'd like to be.

I'm trying to steer clear of t3 until closer to the end and i'll whip that out if worse comes to worst.

DNP- Ya I can't run the stuff the way I live my life lol. I feel and look like shit and I literally sweat everywhere... I soak a shirt in 5 mins...

I was looking into albuterol myself but apparently they are out of lipoEx.

P.S.- ygm bro

[hyperlite32]

Clen gets my vote. I like lipo-ex, but I dont find albuterol to be even close to as effective as Clen.

[L3]

ephies are good and cheap all i need is 16mg in the morning

clen didnt do much except give me the shakes

right now using oral HELIOS and lovin it, increased my carb intake too, my abs are coming in niceley with minimal cardio

[nitrous]

i'm a fan of clen

[Kaly11]

what dosage of clen are you running a day?

[baza]

as for the fat burners i trying all the good ones on the market while cutting this spring summer, and besides dnp i got my best results from aboleo, mainly do to the appetite suppessant meridia in it, but if you dont have a problem with cravings i would recommend lipo ex, very potent stuff, seems to be very hard on your receptors so maybe a one and one with eca would be more beneficial than a 2 and 2, as the effects always seem to be down after the first week, i think i got up to 7 pills a day by the end of week 2, lol, i dont recommend this. stick to 4 and under

I found an old bottle of aboleo in my drawer and have been using it, seems to be working well. I changed a few things up, so I dont' know what has made me start burning fat like crazy. I was only taking 1 cap 3 times a day though. I got no effect from the meridia.

I took ECA for a long time and really didn't seem much from it.

[Timbo89]

how do people find the clen and t3 stack, also, do you run them simultaneously or cycle two weeks on and off alternating?

[sixguns]

run the t3 right though, and cycle the clen 2 and 2 or whatever

[baza]

Agree.

[Timbo89]

kk. thanks for the infooo.

[fireflyer]

I've always used clen and T3 together but can't get it anymore so I'm trying ECA stack. How much of each in the stack do you run? I've heard lots of different amounts but wondered if there is a good baseline to body weight someone has put out.

[Praetorian]

how do people find the clen and t3 stack, also, do you run them simultaneously or cycle two weeks on and off alternating?

Clen and T3 should be run together for th entire diet. For clients competing in BB thats a full 16 weeks. Start the clen at 20mcg twice daily and increase the dosage by 20mcg every two weeks until you hit 120mcg daily...leave it there for the balance of the diet. Then taper off after the show. For the T3 start at 25mcg ED and incease the dosage by 12.5mcg every two weeks until you hit 75mcg ED...leave it there for the balance of the diet...taper down after the show. You dont run the clen 2 on 2 off or anything like that it is counterproductive and unnecessary.
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[daande]

id say you would need to run test while taking T3 at least 750mg/week and maybe even some tren.. this would also help with keeping your muscle.. as for protein.. 2 grams per 1lbs of bw.. so if your 250.. ud need 500 grams a day.. thats just my opinion.

GH wouldn't hurt either..

I am currently on 75mcg of T3 ED and 90mcg of clen and I am only running 100mg of test prop EOD and I have retained all my strength.

[hyperlite32]

Clen and T3 should be run together for th entire diet. For clients competing in BB thats a full 16 weeks. Start the clen at 20mcg twice daily and increase the dosage by 20mcg every two weeks until you hit 120mcg daily...leave it there for the balance of the diet. Then taper off after the show. For the T3 start at 25mcg ED and incease the dosage by 12.5mcg every two weeks until you hit 75mcg ED...leave it there for the balance of the diet...taper down after the show. You dont run the clen 2 on 2 off or anything like that it is counterproductive and unnecessary.
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This makes alot of sense to me. I will be trying this soon. I assume cycling off the clen(2 on 2 off) would allow the T3 to be more catabolic to muscle. If you are not on any AAS.

Thanks Praetorian, great advice.

[tex]

what should a guy run that is hyper-sensitive to stimulants(havent had any caffeine in over 5 years) if he wants to trim off some lard that accumulated while he was injured at the end of his cycle but still ate the bulking diet like a fatass moron..........

[sixguns]

Clen and T3 should be run together for th entire diet. For clients competing in BB thats a full 16 weeks. Start the clen at 20mcg twice daily and increase the dosage by 20mcg every two weeks until you hit 120mcg daily...leave it there for the balance of the diet. Then taper off after the show. For the T3 start at 25mcg ED and incease the dosage by 12.5mcg every two weeks until you hit 75mcg ED...leave it there for the balance of the diet...taper down after the show. You dont run the clen 2 on 2 off or anything like that it is counterproductive and unnecessary.
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i disagree.

the effects of clen diminish as beta receptors become "blocked" per say, the rate at which this happens is person dependant, but the only way to "clean these receptors is with a break, or by using a less effective compound (eca or over the counter stim) or using ketotofin, i have tried benedryl in the past, and unless you want to take it every night b4 bed for 16 weeks id say it way less effective compared to ketotofin and at that the only real way to keep the clen being effective is with a break. there is nothing wrong with using an eca, so i dont see the point for arguement, unless of course you are saying the anti catabolic effects of clen are enough to combat the catabolism cause by t3, which it isnt

there is no point in running t3 with out at least a low dose of test, this is the only real way to combat the catabolism

[L&L]

i disagree.

the effects of clen diminish as beta receptors become "blocked" per say, the rate at which this happens is person dependant, but the only way to "clean these receptors is with a break, or by using a less effective compound (eca or over the counter stim) or using ketotofin, i have tried benedryl in the past, and unless you want to take it every night b4 bed for 16 weeks id say it way less effective compared to ketotofin and at that the only real way to keep the clen being effective is with a break. there is nothing wrong with using an eca, so i dont see the point for arguement, unless of course you are saying the anti catabolic effects of clen are enough to combat the catabolism cause by t3, which it isnt

there is no point in running t3 with out at least a low dose of test, this is the only real way to combat the catabolism


maybe true that over time clen becomes less effective, however switching back and forth between clen and ECA is NOT a more effective option. Clen and Ephedrine are both strong beta 2 agonist!! They stimulate the same receptors, so in actuality you are not giving your body break at all. Ephedrine may be less specific to the beta 2, however I dont see this as giving the receptors a break.

[Timbo89]

Clen and T3 should be run together for th entire diet. For clients competing in BB thats a full 16 weeks. Start the clen at 20mcg twice daily and increase the dosage by 20mcg every two weeks until you hit 120mcg daily...leave it there for the balance of the diet. Then taper off after the show. For the T3 start at 25mcg ED and incease the dosage by 12.5mcg every two weeks until you hit 75mcg ED...leave it there for the balance of the diet...taper down after the show. You dont run the clen 2 on 2 off or anything like that it is counterproductive and unnecessary.
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i always find your advice very helpful. thanks for posting here, ur a great member man :)

[rated_rko]

clen...eca seems to do nothing to me anymore

[Kaly11]

ive been on clen for almost 2 weeks now and dont seem to see changes at all if any..running 150mcg a day. any reasons for this? Yes diet and cardio are in real good check.

[baza]

clen...eca seems to do nothing to me anymore

+1


ive been on clen for almost 2 weeks now and dont seem to see changes at all if any..running 150mcg a day. any reasons for this? Yes diet and cardio are in real good check.

Probably diet. How was fatloss before adding the clen?

[Kaly11]

fatloss was great, lost around 35lbs down to around 190ish. been stuck here for a few weeks so decided to go hard on the cardio and cut the carbs on the diet with the addition of clen and hasnt budged.

[tiramisu]

just wondering what everyones favourite substance out there for fatloss is.

Please don't say "cardio and diet"- that's a great answer to give an overweight person. But we're talking about bodybuilding here.

We all know DNP is the best- But I wan't to know what everyones favourite is and why.


"cardio and diet" - so far I have to say I don't tolerate stimulants well. I don't like clen and dnp is a bit to over the top.

2 hours a day of cardio and a strict diet are a lot more appealing to me than the chemical alternatives.

[baza]

fatloss was great, lost around 35lbs down to around 190ish. been stuck here for a few weeks so decided to go hard on the cardio and cut the carbs on the diet with the addition of clen and hasnt budged.

Yeah I've done the same.
I would have tried adding the cardio, or cutting the carbs, but not both, and played around with one first.