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waderow
11-08-2009, 01:15 PM
Smear Campaign Against William Llewellyn Attempts to Discredit Underground Anabolics Book

An anabolic steroid expert’s plan to analyze the ingredients of various anabolic steroid preparations has made a few steroid manufacturers very nervous. The project involves laboratory analysis of various steroid products found on the underground black market.

William Llewellyn, the leader of the quality control project, has faced threats, intimidation and organized attacks on his credibility, reputation, and character after revealing his intention to publish the results in the forthcoming book entitled “William Llewellyn’s UNDERGROUND ANABOLICS”.

Balkan Pharmaceuticals

Balkan Pharmaceuticals, a pharmaceutical company registered in Moldova, has systematically pressured Llewellyn to remove Balkan steroid products from the project since the book project was first announced at the beginning of the year.

“Alin” of Balkan Pharmaceuticals has resorted to intimidation, threats, and attempted bribery in an effort to influence and/or suppress information in Llewellyn’s underground anabolics book.

Alin has organized a “smear campaign” to damage Llewellyn’s reputation as much as possible in order to discredit the underground anabolics book.

Llewellyn has steadfastly refused to acquiesce to Alin’s demands (”Open Letter to Alin (Balkan)“, July 18).

I just want to make sure, Alin, that you are aware that your behavior has no effect on the book. No matter how insulting you may be, it will not change my ability to publish an impartial book. If your company is good, the reports will show this. But with all this behavior, I am very concerned you know already there will be problems. I hope I am wrong.

I have been the direct subject to his hostile emails and attacks for weeks, and am getting tired of it. I will not let Alin affect my impartiality.

Alin has found at least one ally sympathetic in his campaign against William Llewellyn. Anthony Roberts has abandoned any pretense of impartiality in support of this effort to discredit William Llewellyn. Roberts’s recent articles about Llewellyn have, not only indirectly fulfilled but, conveniently coincided with Alin’s threats against Llewellyn.

Anthony Roberts

Anthony Roberts is a much-maligned blogger known for his ruthless, and often personal, attacks on various individuals associated with the supplement industry and the anabolic steroid subculture. Roberts has been widely criticized for the judicious use of anonymous rumors and unsubstantiated allegations to substantiate his stories. Roberts has been unapologetic about his use of internet gossip in his blog to promote “the truth”.

Anthony Roberts could be considered an unwitting participant in Alin’s smear campaign against Llewellyn. Observers would hope that Roberts was simply blinded by his own prejudice and animosity towards William Llewellyn rather than maliciously abandoning his objectivity to perpetuate a personal and vindictive campaign against Llewellyn.

But Roberts rejects the notion that anybody is using him to do their dirty work. Roberts strongly denies any bias when writing about Llewellyn. He is convinced his characterization of Llewellyn is likely true based on the credibility of his anonymous source(s) and his supposed “firsthand evidence”.

Anthony Roberts also vehemently denies singling out Llewellyn as part of a personal vendetta. He defends his attacks by pointing out that he has not included all the rumors provided by Alin because he considers some unfit for publication; additionally, he claims that he obtained many of the rumors independent of Alin.

Relationship Between William Llewellyn and Anthony Roberts

The strained relationship between Anthony Roberts and William Llewellyn predated the Balkan Pharmaceuticals threats against Llewellyn.

The publication of Roberts’ first book “Anabolic Steroids: Ultimate Research Guide” in 2006 included large sections of data in tabular format that appeared to have been copied directly from “William Llewellyn’s Anabolics 2005”. Roberts distanced himself from that controversy claiming the decision was made by his co-author and publisher.

A less-than-cordial relationship emerged particularly after heated exchanges occurred in bodybuilding forums over disagreements regarding steroid advice.

Anthony Roberts launched a new round of attacks upon Llewellyn’s credibility and expertise last year after ECW Press agreed to publish Roberts’ proposed manuscript about the steroid subculture entitled “Generation S“.

The contract with a “real publishing house” emboldened Roberts to assert his superiority over Llewellyn as a writer and a steroid expert. Roberts has since repeatedly attacked the credibility of “self-published” authors, specifically Llewellyn. The attacks have been largely dismissed as little more than bickering and/or jealousy by a rival author.

William Llewellyn’s Credibility as a Steroid Expert

William Llewellyn’s credibility and authority as an anabolic steroid expert has been well established over the past decade notwithstanding Roberts’ assertions to the contrary.

Llewellyn has spent the majority of his professional career educating readers with an honest, balanced and evidence-driven assessment of anabolic steroids, their non-medical use and the health and social implications.

“William Llewellyn’s Anabolics”, the encyclopedic compendium of anabolic-androgenic steroids and performance enhancing drugs, has became the authoritative reference guide on the topic for steroid users as well as health care practitioners, physicians, law enforcement, prosecutors, sports organizations and harm reduction agencies.

International government agencies have purchased hundreds of copies of Llewellyn’s Anabolics. The reference book has been used specifically to train and educate federal agents about this class of pharmaceuticals.

Impetus for 2009 Smear Campaign

The announcement of Llewellyn’s forthcoming book entitled “Underground Anabolics” early this year was the impetus for a new round of attacks against Llewellyn that moved beyond simple assertions disputing his expertise. The rumors not only questioned Llewellyn’s credibility and integrity, but maliciously accused him of engaging in criminal activity.

The following allegations originated with “Alin” of Balkan Pharmaceuticals. Alin threatened to spread these rumors if Llewellyn did not remove the information about Balkan Pharmaceuticals from “Underground Anabolics”. Llewellyn refused comply with Alin’s demands. Alin’s rumors subsequently appeared in Anthony Roberts’ blog and were attributed to anonymous sources.

Unfounded Rumor(s) that Llewellyn Accepts Bribes

RUMOR: Underground labs have bribed Llewellyn for favorable treatment in the book and/or that results have been manipulated or excluded in exchange for monetary payment.

Alin admitted to offering Llewellyn a direct bribe. Llewellyn refused. Alin then tried to characterize the bribe as “advertising” in February 2009 based on the understanding that Balkan would not appear in “Underground Anabolics”. Llewellyn refused.

Alin threatened to spread the rumor that Llewellyn did in fact accept the bribe. The rumor subsequently appeared in Anthony Roberts blog.

Alin later threatened to spread the rumor that Llewellyn was bribed by British Dragon years ago; the source of Alin’s rumor was the conveniently deceased co-founder of British Dragon.

Unfounded Rumor that Llewellyn is a Steroid Dealer

RUMOR: Llewellyn has partnered with underground labs to illegally distribute anabolic steroids; specifically implying that Llewellyn has a financial interest in promoting certain underground labs.

Alin threatened to spread the rumor that Llewellyn had partnered with other underground labs if Llewellyn did not remove Balkan from the book. Llewellyn refused.

Alin has alleged that one of the individuals involved in sample collection for UNDERGROUND ANABOLICS was involved in steroid sales. Alin accused Ronny Tober of operating Generic Supplements and Dutch Labs. Furthermore, Alin threatened to disseminate the rumor that Llewellyn was also involved in running these underground labs with Tober.

Alin was the source of a list purportedly connecting Llewellyn to Generic Supplements; Alin emailed the list to various individuals on or approximately June 25, 2009. The list appeared on Anthony Roberts blog on July 15, 2009. Roberts stopped short of alleging direct involvement by Llewellyn although the implication was clear.

Accusations Against Ronny Tober

Anthony Roberts has repeatedly attempted to discredit Llewellyn based on his relationship with Ronny Tober and other individuals that allegedly sell steroids. Roberts’ assertion has been that Llewellyn’s books can not be unbiased or impartial when using sources that are (allegedly) involved in criminal activity.

Attempts to discredit William Llewellyn due to his utilization of sources that participate in the illicit underground steroid market are disingenuous. Most anabolic steroids used for non-medical purposes originate and are obtained from the androgen black market. Consequently, sources actively participating in illegal steroid distribution are essential to understanding the current state of and the operation of the market.

Journalists’ and Researchers’ Use of Sources Involved in Criminal Activity

Journalists routinely utilize sources involved in illegal activity. The source(s) that leaked the names of Alex Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz did so in violation of federal law. The Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams expose of the BALCO steroid scandal in “Game of Shadows“ relied almost exclusively on grand jury testimony illegally leaked by their source.

Not surprisingly, Llewellyn utilizes sources of information and contacts that may be involved in illicit steroid distribution. If one wishes to obtain underground anabolics for laboratory analyses, they must be obtained from the illicit underground steroid market. There is no other way to secure analyses of illicitly-traded steroid products. Identifying and proving associations is one thing but drawing conclusions based on those associations is another matter entirely.

Challenges of Obtaining Steroids from Black Market

The chain of custody for obtain steroids from the black market is not an easy task. Llewellyn openly addresses the challenges of obtaining, verifying and testing samples trade on the black market in a disclaimer for UNDERGROUND ANABOLICS.

“It is important to emphasize that all of these samples were obtained from the black market. Inherently, products that are traded through illicit channels are very difficult to verify for authenticity. Given the high prevalence of counterfeiting with steroid products, even at times the counterfeiting of underground labs, these are named as “Listed Manufacturer” only. No attempt to verify these products has been made, and we cannot say for certain if any specific item is legitimate or counterfeit. These results, therefore, are not meant as a direct assessment of these labs. It would take more testing and source verification to make any conclusive judgments. Instead, when bad results are seen, it is a warning for products bearing the same name/lot number on the black market.”

Cybercrime Used to Intimidate William Llewellyn

Some personal attacks against Llewellyn have not been directly linked to Alin and/or Anthony Roberts.

William Llewellyn’s Body of Science website was targeted by a distributed denial-of-service attack (DDoS attack) largely originating in Moldova on June 12, 2009. The DDoS effectively shut down Llewellyn’s website for seven consecutive days.

Alin was considered the prime suspect given the threatening emails sent to Llewellyn in the preceding weeks along with the Moldovan server connection. However, Alin publicly denied involvement and there was no evidence conclusively linking Alin to the DDoS attack.

Alin admitted talking to Anthony Roberts on June 14, 2009 about who may have been responsible for the DDoS attack. Alin curiously admitted sharing access to Roberts “PM box” when disclosing details of this conversation with Roberts.

“Creating” Anonymous Sources to Attack William Llewellyn

An obscure bodybuilding forum was curiously started on July 8, 2009. Bodybuildingarea.com prominently promoted personal attacks against William Llewellyn and his wife. An anonymous source identified only as “Juicecop” posted a list of several new unfounded assertions in addition to the ones previously made by Alin and/or Anthony Roberts.

Anthony Roberts, while denying authorship, quickly reposted Juicecop’s “homework on William Llewellyn” on his blog the very next day. The text of at least one additional post by Juicecop found its way onto Roberts’ blog and revealed private personal information about Llewellyn (coincidentally fulfilling another one of Alin’s threats).

The sudden appearance of a new “anonymous source” to corroborate and coincide with an intensified attack against Llewellyn is highly suspicious to say the least.



Alin and Anthony Roberts would like to have us believe that, somehow, before they came along, Llewellyn had pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes regarding his expertise, his impartiality and his business practices. However, Llewellyn’s credibility and professional reputation are based on a substantial body of work in the industry.

William Llewellyn’s work stands on its own merit. It is not easily discredited by unfounded rumors and unsubstantiated allegations disseminated by individuals with their own respective conflicts of interest and biases against Llewellyn.

Threats, intimidation and illegal attempts to censor/influence the information in Llewellyn’s book have failed. The bodybuilding and steroid community are the beneficiaries of Llewellyn’s refusal to respond to the demands of Balkan Pharmaceuticals.

The publication of lab analyses of black market androgens provides a valuable service to anyone who has any involvement with non-medical steroid users. Any who uses such products should be aware of the risks associated with steroids produced by underground labs and/or illicitly traded on the black market. The risks of counterfeit, illegitimate, contaminated, and/or bogus products should always be acknowledged.

Users of black market androgens should be no less paranoid about the quality of the products than the manufacturers who fear adverse lab results from the quality control testing conducted by William Llewellyn for UNDERGROUND ANABOLICS.

Disclosure: MESO-Rx currently sells publications written by William Llewellyn and Anthony Roberts. Advertisers on MESO-Rx have previously included companies owned by Alin. Current advertisers may be considered competitors of companies owned by Houca.

ironwill
11-08-2009, 01:29 PM
damn, this is getting some good hype......smart dudes....plus this will really open up some eyes to some shit going on i bet.....

waderow
11-08-2009, 02:18 PM
One this is for sure....

Alin is a real asshole, and many people who accuse him of scamming, which he does BTW, end up banned form boards.

St
11-08-2009, 02:26 PM
One this is for sure....

Alin is a real asshole, and many people who accuse him of scamming, which he does BTW, end up banned form boards.

Ya seen this on Anabolex,Outlaw,and ProfessionalMuscle.

drdnj
11-08-2009, 02:26 PM
One this is for sure....

Alin is a real asshole, and many people who accuse him of scamming, which he does BTW, end up banned form boards.


My sentiments exactly-----I was a victim, back in the day!

deleteduser0001
11-08-2009, 03:32 PM
to me this is like Jr. High.


everyone talks trash about everyone.

I think the community is, on average, too stupid to learn from the book, too stupid to take all the trash talking with a grain of salt, and generally will just keep doing what they do.

cdnsoldier
11-08-2009, 03:37 PM
to me this is like Jr. High.


everyone talks trash about everyone.

I think the community is, on average, too stupid to learn from the book, too stupid to take all the trash talking with a grain of salt, and generally will just keep doing what they do.

Do you even know what the hell you are talking about?

It's not trash talking. It's one asshole scammer making bacteria filled garbage and ripping off the small guy and then trying to ruin someone's life because he's posting lab results.



Have you ordered form Alin ever? Rea dthe book? If not go to the tits posts please.

deleteduser0001
11-08-2009, 03:39 PM
Do you even know what the hell you are talking about?

It's not trash talking. It's one asshole scammer making bacteria filled garbage and ripping off the small guy and then trying to ruin someone's life because he's posting lab results.



Have you ordered form Alin ever? Rea dthe book? If not go to the tits posts please.

Go back to ignoring me, it was better that way. Otherwise feel free to PM me.

cdnsoldier
11-08-2009, 04:31 PM
One this is for sure....

Alin is a real asshole, and many people who accuse him of scamming, which he does BTW, end up banned form boards.

Well Alin owns 5 large boards and pays off most of the others so the truth is hard to get around about him. But most vets know he's the lowest piece of shit in an industry filled with low lives. What he is doing to Will and his wife is a shame.

the-vanilla-gorilla
11-08-2009, 04:40 PM
i have ordered from **** and was a member of his forum way way back and the guys a ****ing looser!


underdosed painfull garbage!
domestic BABY!!!!!!



TVG

rob66679
11-08-2009, 04:58 PM
I find the whole thing pretty amusing really.
Nobody tells the complete truth, because they are all in competetion with each. Even AR makes some good points occasionally, but then you look at who he really is and what he's done........
I don't believe 100% of what any of them say. Theres a lot of dirty shit that goes on, its the drug world.

the-vanilla-gorilla
11-08-2009, 04:59 PM
I find the whole thing pretty amusing really.
Nobody tells the complete truth, because they are all in competetion with each. Even AR makes some good points occasionally, but then you look at who he really is and what he's done........
I don't believe 100% of what any of them say. Theres a lot of dirty shit that goes on, its the drug world.

agreed!


TVG

cdnsoldier
11-08-2009, 05:51 PM
I find the whole thing pretty amusing really.
Nobody tells the complete truth, because they are all in competetion with each. Even AR makes some good points occasionally, but then you look at who he really is and what he's done........
I don't believe 100% of what any of them say. Theres a lot of dirty shit that goes on, its the drug world.

You really don't need william to tell you Alin is a crook. Ask 10 guys here who ordered from him and I bet 8/10 had a bad experience and many were harassed or kicked off boards if they said the truth. The book just confirms what most knew for years.

physique
11-08-2009, 06:12 PM
personally i like reading both blogs, of william and anthony. both bullshit, there is no doubt about that. but do both take bribes? only those 2 really know the truth on that.

i cant wait to read generation s by anthony roberts.

tony_canuck
11-08-2009, 06:14 PM
i've never heard much good about alin anyway

nisser
11-08-2009, 06:18 PM
I ordered once from alin many years ago. Order came through but I've heard constantly that he's a selective scammer which I don't doubt.

baza
11-08-2009, 06:38 PM
I've heard he's a selective scammer. I guess it could be true, but I just don't understand why. i'm sure he does a lot of business, and has good profit margins, is it really worth it to make an extra few hundred dollars here and there?

the-vanilla-gorilla
11-08-2009, 06:42 PM
I've heard he's a selective scammer. I guess it could be true, but I just don't understand why. i'm sure he does a lot of business, and has good profit margins, is it really worth it to make an extra few hundred dollars here and there?

when you deal with the numbers he does its more then a few here and there!




TVG

natenator
11-08-2009, 06:46 PM
I've heard he's a selective scammer. I guess it could be true, but I just don't understand why. i'm sure he does a lot of business, and has good profit margins, is it really worth it to make an extra few hundred dollars here and there?
good profit margins? lmao

one 250mg/ml, 20ml bottle of test has like $3 worth of product in it (including the vial and filtering). I'd say the profit margins aren't just good they are fantastic! lol

baza
11-08-2009, 06:51 PM
when you deal with the numbers he does its more then a few here and there!

TVG

Yeah, and the more the numbers, the less the reason.
So you do $100k a month, and $20k in selective scamming. Is it worth it that much to ruin your reputation? Maybe for them, but seems dumb to me.


good profit margins? lmao

one 250mg/ml, 20ml bottle of test has like $3 worth of product in it (including the vial and filtering). I'd say the profit margins aren't just good they are fantastic! lol

yeah I haven't looked at his product line in ever, so I was saying 'good' to be safe lol.

ryankely
11-08-2009, 07:11 PM
I was ripped off twice by alin. After that(without me posting anything bad) everytime I logged on to his website, A graffic came up by my avatar saying, "we know who your are and where you live." I had to laugh. Go ahead and send someone over so I could put a bullet in their scamming head.

waderow
11-08-2009, 08:09 PM
Yeah, and the more the numbers, the less the reason.
So you do $100k a month, and $20k in selective scamming. Is it worth it that much to ruin your reputation? Maybe for them, but seems dumb to me.



yeah I haven't looked at his product line in ever, so I was saying 'good' to be safe lol.

alin can do whatever he wants and nobody can question him. he ****ed me back int he day, and the boards banned me for trying to utilize their guaranteed sponsors.
alin probably ships 10% of canadian orders, and the other 90 never see the mail bag. then he demands a customs seizure letter for reship, however you never get one.
alin is with out a doubt, the bottom of the barrel in international suppliers.

cdnsoldier
11-08-2009, 09:36 PM
alin can do whatever he wants and nobody can question him. he ****ed me back int he day, and the boards banned me for trying to utilize their guaranteed sponsors.
alin probably ships 10% of canadian orders, and the other 90 never see the mail bag. then he demands a customs seizure letter for reship, however you never get one.
alin is with out a doubt, the bottom of the barrel in international suppliers.



Nah. Alin's business model isn't what people think. He relies on 18-19 year old kiddies who just hit the net and are looking for "roidz". His business relies on NEW orders and 1st. time orders. He has very, very few repeat customers. He doesn't need them. He has such a prescence online that he doesn't need them but that's changing. Add the fact that a vast majority of his 'competitors' are scammers too and Alin has survived....... and much has to due to corrupt board owners and scum bag 'bloggers' like Roberts.

rob66679
11-08-2009, 09:41 PM
alin can do whatever he wants and nobody can question him. he ****ed me back int he day, and the boards banned me for trying to utilize their guaranteed sponsors.
alin probably ships 10% of canadian orders, and the other 90 never see the mail bag. then he demands a customs seizure letter for reship, however you never get one.
alin is with out a doubt, the bottom of the barrel in international suppliers.

Yep, hard to get a customs letter when nothing was sent for customs to seize lol.
All those boards are just platforms for those guys to hawk their stuff, and anybody that says anything negative gets banned fast. Alin does have the worst rep of any international, for sure.

waderow
11-08-2009, 10:33 PM
Nah. Alin's business model isn't what people think. He relies on 18-19 year old kiddies who just hit the net and are looking for "roidz". His business relies on NEW orders and 1st. time orders. He has very, very few repeat customers. He doesn't need them. He has such a prescence online that he doesn't need them but that's changing. Add the fact that a vast majority of his 'competitors' are scammers too and Alin has survived....... and much has to due to corrupt board owners and scum bag 'bloggers' like Roberts.

i dont understand why youre disagreeing with me bro?

St
11-08-2009, 11:47 PM
What i find so odd is that the USA takes down all these labs in Mexico,then Thailand,but how come they can't take down a scammer line Alin.

baza
12-08-2009, 12:26 AM
Probably the US government trying to profit. lol

HardWood
12-08-2009, 12:46 AM
Its all kind of sad really when you think about it.........

rob66679
12-08-2009, 02:28 AM
What i find so odd is that the USA takes down all these labs in Mexico,then Thailand,but how come they can't take down a scammer line Alin.

Theres no extradition treaty with Muldova, so I`m told.

cdnsoldier
12-08-2009, 03:52 AM
i dont understand why youre disagreeing with me bro?

I'm not. I'm just saying Alin works on a model where he just needs new suckers. Very little of his business is repeat business.

BTW there really is "no" Alin. Alin=Big A. Same person. Two different personnas. All 5-7 of Big A's boards heavily and I mean heavily shill Alin. But the scamming is so bad now that on most of the boards he doesn't have open Alin threads. He can't.

If I was Will I wouldn't be going after "Alin" I would be going after yellow Lambo driving REAL personna of alin. I mean the guy posted pics of Will's house (like he would do anything) so all's fair in love and war.....

Mind you all sides are dirty.

GreatWhiteNorth
12-08-2009, 04:56 AM
Yet another reminder to buy local :)

waderow
12-08-2009, 09:04 AM
I'm not. I'm just saying Alin works on a model where he just needs new suckers. Very little of his business is repeat business.

BTW there really is "no" Alin. Alin=Big A. Same person. Two different personnas. All 5-7 of Big A's boards heavily and I mean heavily shill Alin. But the scamming is so bad now that on most of the boards he doesn't have open Alin threads. He can't.

If I was Will I wouldn't be going after "Alin" I would be going after yellow Lambo driving REAL personna of alin. I mean the guy posted pics of Will's house (like he would do anything) so all's fair in love and war.....

Mind you all sides are dirty.

eventually Alin will get whats coming to him

cdnsoldier
12-08-2009, 03:30 PM
eventually Alin will get whats coming to him

I doubt it. I bet his "arrangement" is a good one.

physique
12-08-2009, 05:52 PM
Smear Campaign Against William Llewellyn Attempts to Discredit Underground Anabolics Book

An anabolic steroid expert’s plan to analyze the ingredients of various anabolic steroid preparations has made a few steroid manufacturers very nervous. The project involves laboratory analysis of various steroid products found on the underground black market.

William Llewellyn, the leader of the quality control project, has faced threats, intimidation and organized attacks on his credibility, reputation, and character after revealing his intention to publish the results in the forthcoming book entitled “William Llewellyn’s UNDERGROUND ANABOLICS”.

Balkan Pharmaceuticals

Balkan Pharmaceuticals, a pharmaceutical company registered in Moldova, has systematically pressured Llewellyn to remove Balkan steroid products from the project since the book project was first announced at the beginning of the year.

“Alin” of Balkan Pharmaceuticals has resorted to intimidation, threats, and attempted bribery in an effort to influence and/or suppress information in Llewellyn’s underground anabolics book.

Alin has organized a “smear campaign” to damage Llewellyn’s reputation as much as possible in order to discredit the underground anabolics book.

Llewellyn has steadfastly refused to acquiesce to Alin’s demands (”Open Letter to Alin (Balkan)“, July 18).

I just want to make sure, Alin, that you are aware that your behavior has no effect on the book. No matter how insulting you may be, it will not change my ability to publish an impartial book. If your company is good, the reports will show this. But with all this behavior, I am very concerned you know already there will be problems. I hope I am wrong.

I have been the direct subject to his hostile emails and attacks for weeks, and am getting tired of it. I will not let Alin affect my impartiality.

Alin has found at least one ally sympathetic in his campaign against William Llewellyn. Anthony Roberts has abandoned any pretense of impartiality in support of this effort to discredit William Llewellyn. Roberts’s recent articles about Llewellyn have, not only indirectly fulfilled but, conveniently coincided with Alin’s threats against Llewellyn.

Anthony Roberts

Anthony Roberts is a much-maligned blogger known for his ruthless, and often personal, attacks on various individuals associated with the supplement industry and the anabolic steroid subculture. Roberts has been widely criticized for the judicious use of anonymous rumors and unsubstantiated allegations to substantiate his stories. Roberts has been unapologetic about his use of internet gossip in his blog to promote “the truth”.

Anthony Roberts could be considered an unwitting participant in Alin’s smear campaign against Llewellyn. Observers would hope that Roberts was simply blinded by his own prejudice and animosity towards William Llewellyn rather than maliciously abandoning his objectivity to perpetuate a personal and vindictive campaign against Llewellyn.

But Roberts rejects the notion that anybody is using him to do their dirty work. Roberts strongly denies any bias when writing about Llewellyn. He is convinced his characterization of Llewellyn is likely true based on the credibility of his anonymous source(s) and his supposed “firsthand evidence”.

Anthony Roberts also vehemently denies singling out Llewellyn as part of a personal vendetta. He defends his attacks by pointing out that he has not included all the rumors provided by Alin because he considers some unfit for publication; additionally, he claims that he obtained many of the rumors independent of Alin.

Relationship Between William Llewellyn and Anthony Roberts

The strained relationship between Anthony Roberts and William Llewellyn predated the Balkan Pharmaceuticals threats against Llewellyn.

The publication of Roberts’ first book “Anabolic Steroids: Ultimate Research Guide” in 2006 included large sections of data in tabular format that appeared to have been copied directly from “William Llewellyn’s Anabolics 2005”. Roberts distanced himself from that controversy claiming the decision was made by his co-author and publisher.

A less-than-cordial relationship emerged particularly after heated exchanges occurred in bodybuilding forums over disagreements regarding steroid advice.

Anthony Roberts launched a new round of attacks upon Llewellyn’s credibility and expertise last year after ECW Press agreed to publish Roberts’ proposed manuscript about the steroid subculture entitled “Generation S“.

The contract with a “real publishing house” emboldened Roberts to assert his superiority over Llewellyn as a writer and a steroid expert. Roberts has since repeatedly attacked the credibility of “self-published” authors, specifically Llewellyn. The attacks have been largely dismissed as little more than bickering and/or jealousy by a rival author.

William Llewellyn’s Credibility as a Steroid Expert

William Llewellyn’s credibility and authority as an anabolic steroid expert has been well established over the past decade notwithstanding Roberts’ assertions to the contrary.

Llewellyn has spent the majority of his professional career educating readers with an honest, balanced and evidence-driven assessment of anabolic steroids, their non-medical use and the health and social implications.

“William Llewellyn’s Anabolics”, the encyclopedic compendium of anabolic-androgenic steroids and performance enhancing drugs, has became the authoritative reference guide on the topic for steroid users as well as health care practitioners, physicians, law enforcement, prosecutors, sports organizations and harm reduction agencies.

International government agencies have purchased hundreds of copies of Llewellyn’s Anabolics. The reference book has been used specifically to train and educate federal agents about this class of pharmaceuticals.

Impetus for 2009 Smear Campaign

The announcement of Llewellyn’s forthcoming book entitled “Underground Anabolics” early this year was the impetus for a new round of attacks against Llewellyn that moved beyond simple assertions disputing his expertise. The rumors not only questioned Llewellyn’s credibility and integrity, but maliciously accused him of engaging in criminal activity.

The following allegations originated with “Alin” of Balkan Pharmaceuticals. Alin threatened to spread these rumors if Llewellyn did not remove the information about Balkan Pharmaceuticals from “Underground Anabolics”. Llewellyn refused comply with Alin’s demands. Alin’s rumors subsequently appeared in Anthony Roberts’ blog and were attributed to anonymous sources.

Unfounded Rumor(s) that Llewellyn Accepts Bribes

RUMOR: Underground labs have bribed Llewellyn for favorable treatment in the book and/or that results have been manipulated or excluded in exchange for monetary payment.

Alin admitted to offering Llewellyn a direct bribe. Llewellyn refused. Alin then tried to characterize the bribe as “advertising” in February 2009 based on the understanding that Balkan would not appear in “Underground Anabolics”. Llewellyn refused.

Alin threatened to spread the rumor that Llewellyn did in fact accept the bribe. The rumor subsequently appeared in Anthony Roberts blog.

Alin later threatened to spread the rumor that Llewellyn was bribed by British Dragon years ago; the source of Alin’s rumor was the conveniently deceased co-founder of British Dragon.

Unfounded Rumor that Llewellyn is a Steroid Dealer

RUMOR: Llewellyn has partnered with underground labs to illegally distribute anabolic steroids; specifically implying that Llewellyn has a financial interest in promoting certain underground labs.

Alin threatened to spread the rumor that Llewellyn had partnered with other underground labs if Llewellyn did not remove Balkan from the book. Llewellyn refused.

Alin has alleged that one of the individuals involved in sample collection for UNDERGROUND ANABOLICS was involved in steroid sales. Alin accused Ronny Tober of operating Generic Supplements and Dutch Labs. Furthermore, Alin threatened to disseminate the rumor that Llewellyn was also involved in running these underground labs with Tober.

Alin was the source of a list purportedly connecting Llewellyn to Generic Supplements; Alin emailed the list to various individuals on or approximately June 25, 2009. The list appeared on Anthony Roberts blog on July 15, 2009. Roberts stopped short of alleging direct involvement by Llewellyn although the implication was clear.

Accusations Against Ronny Tober

Anthony Roberts has repeatedly attempted to discredit Llewellyn based on his relationship with Ronny Tober and other individuals that allegedly sell steroids. Roberts’ assertion has been that Llewellyn’s books can not be unbiased or impartial when using sources that are (allegedly) involved in criminal activity.

Attempts to discredit William Llewellyn due to his utilization of sources that participate in the illicit underground steroid market are disingenuous. Most anabolic steroids used for non-medical purposes originate and are obtained from the androgen black market. Consequently, sources actively participating in illegal steroid distribution are essential to understanding the current state of and the operation of the market.

Journalists’ and Researchers’ Use of Sources Involved in Criminal Activity

Journalists routinely utilize sources involved in illegal activity. The source(s) that leaked the names of Alex Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz did so in violation of federal law. The Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams expose of the BALCO steroid scandal in “Game of Shadows“ relied almost exclusively on grand jury testimony illegally leaked by their source.

Not surprisingly, Llewellyn utilizes sources of information and contacts that may be involved in illicit steroid distribution. If one wishes to obtain underground anabolics for laboratory analyses, they must be obtained from the illicit underground steroid market. There is no other way to secure analyses of illicitly-traded steroid products. Identifying and proving associations is one thing but drawing conclusions based on those associations is another matter entirely.

Challenges of Obtaining Steroids from Black Market

The chain of custody for obtain steroids from the black market is not an easy task. Llewellyn openly addresses the challenges of obtaining, verifying and testing samples trade on the black market in a disclaimer for UNDERGROUND ANABOLICS.

“It is important to emphasize that all of these samples were obtained from the black market. Inherently, products that are traded through illicit channels are very difficult to verify for authenticity. Given the high prevalence of counterfeiting with steroid products, even at times the counterfeiting of underground labs, these are named as “Listed Manufacturer” only. No attempt to verify these products has been made, and we cannot say for certain if any specific item is legitimate or counterfeit. These results, therefore, are not meant as a direct assessment of these labs. It would take more testing and source verification to make any conclusive judgments. Instead, when bad results are seen, it is a warning for products bearing the same name/lot number on the black market.”

Cybercrime Used to Intimidate William Llewellyn

Some personal attacks against Llewellyn have not been directly linked to Alin and/or Anthony Roberts.

William Llewellyn’s Body of Science website was targeted by a distributed denial-of-service attack (DDoS attack) largely originating in Moldova on June 12, 2009. The DDoS effectively shut down Llewellyn’s website for seven consecutive days.

Alin was considered the prime suspect given the threatening emails sent to Llewellyn in the preceding weeks along with the Moldovan server connection. However, Alin publicly denied involvement and there was no evidence conclusively linking Alin to the DDoS attack.

Alin admitted talking to Anthony Roberts on June 14, 2009 about who may have been responsible for the DDoS attack. Alin curiously admitted sharing access to Roberts “PM box” when disclosing details of this conversation with Roberts.

“Creating” Anonymous Sources to Attack William Llewellyn

An obscure bodybuilding forum was curiously started on July 8, 2009. Bodybuildingarea.com prominently promoted personal attacks against William Llewellyn and his wife. An anonymous source identified only as “Juicecop” posted a list of several new unfounded assertions in addition to the ones previously made by Alin and/or Anthony Roberts.

Anthony Roberts, while denying authorship, quickly reposted Juicecop’s “homework on William Llewellyn” on his blog the very next day. The text of at least one additional post by Juicecop found its way onto Roberts’ blog and revealed private personal information about Llewellyn (coincidentally fulfilling another one of Alin’s threats).

The sudden appearance of a new “anonymous source” to corroborate and coincide with an intensified attack against Llewellyn is highly suspicious to say the least.



Alin and Anthony Roberts would like to have us believe that, somehow, before they came along, Llewellyn had pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes regarding his expertise, his impartiality and his business practices. However, Llewellyn’s credibility and professional reputation are based on a substantial body of work in the industry.

William Llewellyn’s work stands on its own merit. It is not easily discredited by unfounded rumors and unsubstantiated allegations disseminated by individuals with their own respective conflicts of interest and biases against Llewellyn.

Threats, intimidation and illegal attempts to censor/influence the information in Llewellyn’s book have failed. The bodybuilding and steroid community are the beneficiaries of Llewellyn’s refusal to respond to the demands of Balkan Pharmaceuticals.

The publication of lab analyses of black market androgens provides a valuable service to anyone who has any involvement with non-medical steroid users. Any who uses such products should be aware of the risks associated with steroids produced by underground labs and/or illicitly traded on the black market. The risks of counterfeit, illegitimate, contaminated, and/or bogus products should always be acknowledged.

Users of black market androgens should be no less paranoid about the quality of the products than the manufacturers who fear adverse lab results from the quality control testing conducted by William Llewellyn for UNDERGROUND ANABOLICS.

Disclosure: MESO-Rx currently sells publications written by William Llewellyn and Anthony Roberts. Advertisers on MESO-Rx have previously included companies owned by Alin. Current advertisers may be considered competitors of companies owned by Houca.

seeing as i like anthony roberts blog, i found his rebutal to the above blog by milard baker. hope u enjoy it.

Yesterday, I spent a couple of hours going through a blog post written by MesoRx.com owner Millard Baker, and writing my reply. To be honest, much of Millard’s post involved me, and the rest involved Alin & William Llewellyn - and I was bored to tears reading it, and I doubt anyone wannts to read ten pages of me explaining my side of everything that was said. If that kind of thing is your bag, then feel free to check out RobertsBlog.com, where I’ve uploaded the original blog post I was going to make here. In that blog post, I concentrate on refuting specific claims made by Millard Baker. In this blog post, I will outline the clear economic bias, and also the various ways in which economic factors heavily influence types of articles/blogs Millard writes and does not write. I offer these facts as proof that he is not to be trusted when he defends Mr. William Llewellyn.

I’ll keep this brief: Millard claims I’m running a smear campaign against Llewellyn. Those are the cliff notes on ten unreadable pages of conjecture and conspiracy theory that passed for a blog post yesterday on MesoRx.com.

I’ll focus on what I think is the most important reason you should disregard Millard Baker’s entire post - and I’m making a very specific case here, namely that Millard is simply publishing attacks against me because it supports his own clear economic interest. I’m going to prove this case by presenting easily verifiable evidence of Millard Baker’s willingness to do whatever is necessary to maximize his own profit, at the expense of the truth, and up to and including writing articles to protect his own economic interest or not writing them for the same reason. I’m going to show multiple incidences of this happening, and let you decide for yourself whom to believe.

I’m certainly not alone here…You can read this as proof that Millard’s claims in that particular blog post are not to be trusted, or that he is not to be trusted in general. That’s your decision to make.

None of this means Millard and I aren’t friends, and we spoke on the phone last night for awhile. I wasn’t offended by his blog post, and nothing I’m saying here is anything I wouldn’t (or haven’t) said to him many times. Being my friend means I put you in check when you need it.

The fact of the matter is that there is a vested - and very obvious - reason that Millard would defend William Llewellyn, in light of William’s forthcoming book. Stated quite simply, Millard is going to carry William’s new book, and the less credible he seems, the less copies Millard will likely sell. Let me be perfectly clear on this point:

Millard’s blog post, “Smear Campaign Against William Llewellyn Attempts to Discredit Underground Anabolics Book.”, is a direct result of financial motivation to protect William Llewellyn’s credibility and to sell more copies of his new book. I earn nothing to write articles slamming Llewellyn, but Millard earns money for protecting him. In fact, Millard sells more of Llewellyn’s books than any other single product he sells, and is one of the top three online retailers for the work(s) in question. So he has a clear and vested financial interest for trying to protect his moneytrain’s credibility in the steroid industry. If this were a court of law, who would be the more credible witness, Myself or Millard?

Unfortunately, over the past few years, Millard has been trading a large portion of his credibility for money…and it has not gone unnoticed within the steroid industry (quoting Dr. S of SteroidsLive.com from this blog post):

My issue is why does Millard feel the need to jump in now? I would have to say that if his motives were good and pure , I still would not be entering this argument, but when it seems the only basis is for monetary reasons, and it makes me sick. This is the very core of what is wrong with this community, people only working for themselves, not the greater good of the community. So we have Millard attacking AR for his own pocket’s sake…

Consider the fact that he has “SDI-Labs” as his sponsor (*fake steroid products) as well as “BuySt***********” (*more fake steroid products). So, for the beginner who doesn’t know any better, visiting MesoRx.com to learn about steroids, they’ll get two things:

1. Some good articles and profiles
2. Ripped off by Millard Baker
Now, let’s get this straight: If you visit MesoRx.com, and you click the BuySt*********** or SDI-Labs.com link because you’re trying to purchase steroids - and instead get products designed with the sole intent to deceive you into thinking they’re steroids - then I consider Millard Baker to be 100% part of that scam. He’s leading his more-gullible readers into making fraudulent purchases, directly, while posing as an advocate for the steroid community and is therefore nothing short of a scammer. If this were a traditional con, Millard would be the plant. He is the guy asking you for directions while his partner picks your pocket. Everyone who visited MesoRx.com and thought it to be credible, and therefore trusted the sponsors, was ripped off directly by Millard. There is no other way to look at this. He talks about being pro-steroid, and supporting the steroid community, while at the same time facilitating the widespread scamming of those same people. If he is willing to help rip off his readers that way, then why not help rip them off by lying about a new product? Why not lie about the facts surrounding William Llewellyn? A lie is a lie is a lie….and profit is profit. Millard will directly profit from his lies in support of William Llewellyn just as he directly has profited from the lies his sponsors tell his readers. Direct profit for lies is the name of this game.

If you help people lie to your readers, directly or indirectly, then you are a F*cking liar too. Period.

Millard has been fisting the steroid community for years by helping his advertisers scam them. If you help a scammer, then you are a scammer. Do the math….add up the dollars that go from people getting ripped off straight into Millard’s pockets. I’m asking you to see through this latest blog post…to see through it, straight to where it originated; not in Millard’s heart, but in his wallet.

Millard also attacks Alin in his latest blog post. It’s important to note that he never attacked Alin when he was sponsoring Millard’s site - Millard won’t attack people who put money in his pocket - and ironically, the crux of this entire debate, in Millard’s defending William Llewellyn, is the allegations that William is doing that same thing. Llewellyn wasn’t attacking Alin when Alin was an advertiser on his site. See the pattern?

Conversely, I earn money from EliteFitness.com (they sell 2 of my books), and I attack them anytime they do something that I disagree with. In fact, they formally asked me to keep them out of my new book, and that’s not happening. I walked out on Steroid.com because the owner is dishonest. I stopped writing for T-Nation when I was designing products for their competitors (even going so far as to give away a final article for free, to keep them from publishing it). In all of these cases, I lost money because I did what’s right. When I was talking to TheSourceCheck.com about potentially advertising, I ran a negative article about them. Buying advertising on my site doesn’t buy my soul. Do you trust me or Millard?

Where was Millard when Steroid.com was attacking me? He knew they were lying, and knows the owner is a liar and a scammer, but as long as the sponsorship dollars keep rolling in, he will never, ever, F*cking say it publicly. Period.

Finally, Millard seems to think it’s tragic that William Llewellyn is facing “threats, intimidation and organized attacks on his credibility, reputation, and character related to the impending publication of his new book.” Yet, both William Llewellyn and (*owner of BuySt***********) Brian Clapp have contacted my publisher (they even CC’ed each other), issuing threats, trying to intimidate me, criticizing me, and attacking my reputation, all related to the impending publication of my new book. Where is Millard’s public outrage over that situation? Don’t they look similar? People making threats to stop a book about the steroid underground from being published? Where is my article on MesoRx.com? Why hasn’t he taken up this (exactly similar) cause? The person he defends is the person who will line his pockets. Look at the pattern - and ask yourself how credible Millard is, at least in this particular instance. Does he put profit over integrity? Has he shown a pattern of doing this?

Well, Millard will not be selling my book - and his monthly checks come from people who don’t want it published - so there won’t be an article about how myself, my book, and my publisher are facing the same EXACT kinds of threats that has Millard crying a river for Llewellyn. I’m in the same situation as William Llewellyn…. and Millard hasn’t written about it. Why not?

Do the math, and add up the dollars - and make your own decision. Do you trust me or Millard Baker?

cdnsoldier
12-08-2009, 07:24 PM
Do you trust me or Millard Baker?

Neither.

deleteduser0001
12-08-2009, 08:04 PM
what is the end game for all this talk?

one wants to publish his book and the other does not? If Alin's targets really are newbies and first time buyers, why in the world would he give a shit about a book that they won't read before they try and order from him. IMO most of his users are the board readers that are only educated by the shill sites that shill for him.

Maybe i'm wrong.

rob66679
12-08-2009, 09:39 PM
what is the end game for all this talk?

one wants to publish his book and the other does not? If Alin's targets really are newbies and first time buyers, why in the world would he give a shit about a book that they won't read before they try and order from him. IMO most of his users are the board readers that are only educated by the shill sites that shill for him.

Maybe i'm wrong.

Basically it comes down to controlling the market through manipulation & lies on all sides.
One theory is WL is taking "donations" from certain people in return for favorable reviews. No donation = lots of contamination in your product.
I've been watching this unfold on BOS for a while now, its been quite entertaining, lots of back and forth happening, lots of big players yapping it up.